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She got two forgivable coronavirus loans. Her employees hate her for it.
CNBC ^ | April 22, 2020 | Greg Iacurci

Posted on 04/22/2020 7:06:29 PM PDT by BurgessKoch

Jamie Black-Lewis felt like she won the lottery after getting two forgivable loans through the Paycheck Protection Program.

Black-Lewis saw the $177,000 and $43,800 loans, one for each of the spas she owns in Washington state, as a lifeline she could use for payroll and other business expenses.

She’d halted pay for the 35 employees — including herself — at Oasis Medspa & Salon, in Woodinville, and Amai Day Spa, in Bothell, in mid-March, when nonessential businesses in Washington closed due to the coronavirus pandemic.

When Black-Lewis convened a virtual employee meeting to explain her good fortune, she expected jubilation and relief that paychecks would resume in full even though the staff — primarily hourly employees — couldn’t work.

She got a different reaction.

“It was a firestorm of hatred about the situation,” Black-Lewis said.

The animosity is an unintended consequence of the $2.2 trillion coronavirus relief package enacted last month.

The law, the CARES Act, offered $349 billion in loans for small businesses struggling as a result of Covid-19. Banks, backstopped by the federal government, can fully forgive the loans under certain conditions.

Among them, the bulk of funds must go toward payroll, salaries must remain intact and employee head count must not decrease. Businesses have until June 30 to rehire laid-off or furloughed workers.

Black-Lewis was trying to meet these rules, especially after her bank reiterated she must continue to pay workers for loan forgiveness.

The anger came from employees who’d determined they’d make more money by collecting unemployment benefits than their normal paychecks.

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To: central_va

“Again I ask, how is repairing cars where he lives?”

I think you mean “who” but in any case your question is meaningless. Just because people need cars fixed does not mean everyone will have the capital to newly open or keep open a shop to do so after a major financial loss or penalty.

When are you going to open a car service shop in your area? You probably work in another business and can’t work 24 hours a day. You’re limited in what you can do. Well, some people get limited by financial loss. Is this really news to you? I knew someone who made a million dollars (gross) in four years running his own garage. He lost the garage anyway. It was because of a combination of high costs and the fact that he couldn’t control himself. And, yes, people are still getting their cars fixed in his area - at that same facility - only he doesn’t own it now. That happens.

“The average car is 11 years old now. So there is a lot of repairing still going on.”

Of course. And are you doing those repairs? If you aren’t, why not? Why aren’t you doing it? Why aren’t you running a garage?


101 posted on 04/23/2020 5:36:45 AM PDT by vladimir998 ( Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: BurgessKoch

Congress knew this would be an issue.

Congress don’t give a damn.

But there will still be people who want to work. When small biz re-open, find and train those folks. Th


102 posted on 04/23/2020 5:38:01 AM PDT by mewzilla (Break out the mustard seeds.)
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To: metmom
I'm just sorry my kids have to live with it.

If any of the young generation live through it, they might just turn out like the generation coming out of the Great Depression. Hardened like tempered steel. The kid of folks who could kick nazi and jap asses.

The Gods of the Copybook Headings have returned.

103 posted on 04/23/2020 5:42:21 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They are openly stating that they intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live.)
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To: Celerity
"Did ya ever get the feeling they are just getting rid of our currency for something else?"

Not just ours! The EU is going to default. Japan? The whole world is about to collapse economically and I've had an ill sense that a reset will be formed around a global currency.

104 posted on 04/23/2020 5:44:30 AM PDT by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything, it's that history rarely teaches anything.)
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To: central_va

“ If the good or service cannot be produced with American labor and make a profit at the same time then that good or service is not necessary. There is no real demand for it.”

Thanks for clearing that up comrade. So now explain to this befuddle person how much the American labor should be paid. I want to understand all of the goods and services for which there is not “real” demand.

You must know what an American wage is.


105 posted on 04/23/2020 5:46:06 AM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: central_va

Ha, ha, ha.........

Your ignorance gives us yet another laugh

Of course when you live under a rock, you needs are very limited


106 posted on 04/23/2020 5:49:57 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) Progressives are existential American enemies)
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To: FreedomNotSafety
Wages are set with and by the mechanisms of supply and demand just like any other commodity. You don't set a wage and try to find a person at that wage. You negotiate the wages at the time of being hired, just like anything else you buy. Setting wages is what Commies do.

For example to illustrate the absurdity of what you are saying I will use bacon. I can't set the price of bacon at $2.00 pound an demand the grocery store sell it to me at that price. That is absurd.

107 posted on 04/23/2020 5:52:36 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: central_va

So if an American business needs labor at $12/hr to be profitable they just negotiate it. Nice world you live in.


108 posted on 04/23/2020 6:01:17 AM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: FreedomNotSafety
So if an American business needs labor at $12/hr to be profitable they just negotiate it. Nice world you live in.

They need labor PERIOD. Just like McDonald's need beef and potatoes. All prices are negotiable. I think you are a communist....

109 posted on 04/23/2020 6:03:54 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: central_va

I am not the one declaring that there is no “real” demand for goods and services for business unable to afford your undefined American wage. You are and that is what communist do. They wave magical wands.


110 posted on 04/23/2020 6:11:08 AM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: FreedomNotSafety

What we are talking about is market share for a good or service. Every time a business goes under another one gains market share and increased price authority. This economic winnowing out will finally reach equilibrium with American labor being employed.


111 posted on 04/23/2020 6:16:49 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: central_va

Do you believe there are any limits to price authority? Or do you believe can the last business standing charge whatever is needed to support the wage rate demanded by an American worker?


112 posted on 04/23/2020 6:32:49 AM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: BurgessKoch

No good deed goes unpunished.

Also, socialism doesn’t work.


113 posted on 04/23/2020 7:08:41 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (re: domestic supply chains: "We cannot outsource our independence!" -- Donald J. Trump)
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To: FreedomNotSafety
Or do you believe can the last business standing charge whatever is needed to support the wage rate demanded by an American worker?

Yes. That is how a free market works. They will be able to charge what they want until they get a competitor. If they charge too much then demand will go down, if they charge too little the demand will go up. Regardless, they will have complete control of price until they get a competitor. This is called a "monopoly" by the way.

114 posted on 04/23/2020 7:09:47 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: BurgessKoch
...employee head count must not decrease.

So, fire the "I wanna get money for not working" crowd and replace them with an equal number of "I wanna work, when can we start?" folks. Letter of the law.

115 posted on 04/23/2020 8:50:02 AM PDT by JimRed (TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: Raycpa

Sorry....that is not what you wrote:

“Upgrade computers, paint walls, start marketing and sales programs, business consultants, financial planners, inventors. Think outside the box. It’s a gift, if you can’t use it for employees use it for something else.”


116 posted on 04/23/2020 8:53:51 AM PDT by Reagan80 ("In this current crisis, government is not the solution to our problems, government IS the problem")
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To: Husker24
...if you get 400 from state plus 600 from the feds you’re getting a grand a week.

Add the phrase "up to a total from all sources of 75% of prior year's weekly* wages" to the fed grant. Keeps people reasonably solvent, but provides incentive to return to work.

*Or whatever pay period is covered.

117 posted on 04/23/2020 8:59:14 AM PDT by JimRed (TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: FreedomNotSafety
Many born here workers will take the money over the job then come August when the money runs out they will cry about the cruel capitalists.

They are the ones who would have voted RAT anyway.

118 posted on 04/23/2020 9:01:11 AM PDT by JimRed (TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: vladimir998
According to some estimates, 80% of restaurants may be forced to close forever because of the shutdowns.

They won't close forever...most will reopen under new ownership.

119 posted on 04/23/2020 9:03:03 AM PDT by JimRed (TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: Reagan80
I see, You are correct. I should have written:

It’s a gift, if you can’t use it for current employees use it for something else other people you can hire .”

120 posted on 04/23/2020 11:13:06 AM PDT by Raycpa
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