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Media Learned Nothing after their 2016 Polling Disaster
American Thinker.com ^ | June 30, 2020 | Brian C. Joondeph

Posted on 06/30/2020 5:59:08 AM PDT by Kaslin

Harken back four years ago and recall how the media confidently predicted a Hillary Clinton landslide electoral victory over Donald Trump. They held firm to this prediction even when the election was all but over.

At 10:20 PM ET on November 8, 2016, election night, the New York Times confidently proclaimed, in the manner of Baghdad Bob, that Hillary Clinton had an 85 percent chance of winning the election. Long faces and tears graced cable news election night coverage shows by then and Hillary probably was on her second bottle of chardonnay, drowning her sorrows over a coronation that was not meant to be. Yet the “paper of record” continued to push the big lie.

Last week Politico reassured its Beltway audience that, “Biden extends lead over Trump amid protests.” Citing a Fox News Poll of 1343 registered voters, they giddily reported Biden with a 12-point lead.

They did not survey likely voters as more accurate pollsters such as Rasmussen Reports does, but those simply appearing on voter rolls, even if many of them don’t turn out to vote on election day.

Of those surveyed the self-described political affiliation was 47 percent Democrat and 41 percent Republican, a six-point swing favoring the DNC media’s preferred candidate. When respondents were asked who they would vote for, 50 percent said Biden while 38 percent said Trump. Take away the Democrat oversampling and it’s only a 6-point margin.

Panic time for Republicans. This must be it for Trump and his supporters. How can Trump overcome a double-digit deficit to the Democrat candidate? Just look at Trump’s Tulsa rally with empty seats despite over a million ticket requests.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Delaware
KEYWORDS: 2020election; clowncar; delaware; dnctalkingpoint; dnctalkingpoints; election2020; hlmencken; joebiden; joeclowncarbiden; mediawingofthednc; newyork; newyorkcity; newyorkslimes; newyorktimes; partisanmediashills; politico; pollutico; presstitutes; smearmachine
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To: Kaslin

That’s right. Most consumers continue to believe the surveys. So answering polling companies in favor of Democrats is stupid and will cost us the election. The bandwagon approach is very effective. Many voters will even vote for whomever they believe to be winning.

Answer in favor of President Trump and conservative values. Don’t further demoralize our side and encourage the Democrats.


21 posted on 06/30/2020 6:53:30 AM PDT by familyop ( "Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy".)
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To: KevinB

I left that out because voter fraud isn’t media controlled, it’s DNC and machine politics controlled.

Although I do admit that the dividing lines between the media and the DNC are rather...tenuous (is that the word I want?)


22 posted on 06/30/2020 6:54:03 AM PDT by null and void (It never ends when you go down that slippery slope of digging for the truth.)
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To: null and void

Nope it wasn’t me... I know because the surveys we used would allow for only a ‘yes’ or ‘no’ response or would only allow for a selection from ‘a, b, c’...etc.

THAT’S how they get around producing an actual realistic and truthful poll of public opinion.


23 posted on 06/30/2020 7:16:24 AM PDT by SMARTY ("Nobility is defined by the demands it makes on us - by obligations, not by rights".)
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To: Kaslin

The media is just following orders from their Chi-Com masters. It ain’t Russia/Russia. Its Chi-Com,Chi-Com!

Hint it ain’t the Russians/Russians controlling our media and trashing our president 24/7~

It is the Chi-Coms and their hidden corporate ownership/Control of ABCNNBCBS!

Curious Why US News Networks Are Supportive of Chinese Government? Just Look at the Corporate Ownership

Today, we are seeing it play out on our shores. The corporate media complex has to follow the directives of the Chi-Com authorities, or significant economic punishment could be realized by the parent companies. Now roll in their already rooted antagonism for President Trump and the bizarre narratives we have been fed begin to make much more sense.

https://townhall.com/columnists/bradslager/2020/04/24/curious-why-us-news-networks-are-supportive-of-chinese-government-just-look-at-the-corporate-ownership-n2567504


24 posted on 06/30/2020 7:31:52 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Preserve the American way of life! All lives Matter, not Only BLACK CRIMINAL LIVES MATTER!!!!)
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To: poconopundit

My theory is that anti-Trump polls are the established media’s way of making the Presidential election more of a rat race.

A ton of advertising dollars — on both sides — are at stake.

If the truth was published: that Biden is getting his butt kicked, political advertising would crash since the public would lose interest in the contest.

This helps to explain why even WSJ and Fox polls show Biden leading.

Interesting story from Forbes on the billions spent on advertising.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradadgate/2019/09/03/the-2020-elections-will-set-another-ad-spending-record/#271cb1b51836

Just look at all the BS articles posted daily/weekly on FR showing how Trump and we are losing.


25 posted on 06/30/2020 7:36:16 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Preserve the American way of life! All lives Matter, not Only BLACK CRIMINAL LIVES MATTER!!!!)
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To: Kaslin
Media Learned Nothing after their 2016 Polling Disaster <<<

OHHH..they learned alot....they now know that the Dems have to stuff the ballot box 3-4 times more then they did in 2016 to make their polls correct...

26 posted on 06/30/2020 7:57:37 AM PDT by M-cubed (The MSM is now the 4th Branch of Government.....)
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To: allendale

Some are, some are not. I formerly participated in Zogby’s polling. It was internet based. I used to get a poll every week. It would ask me about 10 qualifying questions. In addition to political questions, there would also be questions about other random things like which peanut butter do you prefer, etc.

It always asked me IF I voted in the last election, who I voted for. If I planned to vote in the next election. Then socio economic questions on income, location in suburbs, married, children, etc.


27 posted on 06/30/2020 8:25:21 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963 (carpe diem)
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To: Grampa Dave; HarleyLady27; V K Lee; Liz; rlmorel; GOPJ; SunkenCiv; alloysteel
Dave, I ran across today an interesting article from H. L. Mencken who did a lot of earnest research on how the American Democracy gets corrupted.

This 1920 column, titled Bayard vs. Lionheart is here:

And here's the relevant text with my comments in brackets:

OK, here's my analysis. Mencken was right about the tendency of democracy. In 2016, if Clinton was elected, our Republic would have further deteriorated due to the weight of its inherent corruption.

But what Mencken could not foresee is that an honorable and competent guy like Trump, who had a national personality that was trusted and known long before he ran for public office, could win and not get booted out prematurely.

And it was Trump's personality and fame that allowed him to side with the "silent majority" of citizens who also vote with their emotions and were appalled at where the politicians and Democrat mob were taking the country.

Also see a related vanity: H. L. Mencken Predicted Donald Trump, the Enlightened Rabble-Rouser

28 posted on 06/30/2020 12:06:49 PM PDT by poconopundit (Iron fist in an Irish satin glove: Kayleigh "Shillelagh" McEnany we salute your work!)
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To: poconopundit
Thanks poconopundit.

29 posted on 06/30/2020 1:41:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: poconopundit

What also emerged w/ Trump’s win was his insistence that “we” were all going to do this and that.

“You and I” are going to do it exposed Trump’s willingness to let the people have a say about what his governance would accomplish.


30 posted on 06/30/2020 2:16:22 PM PDT by Liz ( Our side has 8 trillion bullets; the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use. http://www.fr)
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To: All
REMEMBER THIS-----“Obama Executive Order Unleashes “Behavioral Science” Squad to “Nudge” You
by Alex Neman Sept. 18, 2015, The New American

“Under the guise of better “serving” the American people through government, Obama signed an executive order last year calling for federal agencies and departments to deploy emerging “behavioral science” techniques against the public.

The Obama order also establishes a Social and Behavioral Sciences Team charged with applying psychological research to manipulate the beliefs and behaviors of Americans under various pretexts, and guide the vast federal bureaucracy as it hones its abilities to manipulate the public. “ --SNIP--

31 posted on 06/30/2020 2:21:51 PM PDT by Liz ( Our side has 8 trillion bullets; the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use. http://www.fr)
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To: poconopundit

12 H.L. Mencken Quotes on Government, Democracy, and Politicians

Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods.
A good politician is quite as unthinkable as an honest burglar.
A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground.
Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance.
Democracy is also a form of worship. It is the worship of jackals by jackasses.
Democracy is the art and science of running the circus from the monkey cage.
Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.
Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under.
If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner.
For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.
As democracy is perfected, the office of the president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.

This article was reprinted with permission from the American Enterprise Institute.


32 posted on 06/30/2020 2:26:41 PM PDT by Liz ( Our side has 8 trillion bullets; the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use. http://www.fr)
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To: Kaslin

Well we’ll see come November if they learned anything or not.


33 posted on 06/30/2020 2:28:38 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Liz

Totally agree, the “we” message engaged the silent majority beautifully. “I am your voice!” in Washington...

And this echoes a cardinal rule in direct mail advertising: engage the reader with conversational talk. Insert a question in the text, and use “you” to reinforce the idea of speaking directly to a person.


34 posted on 07/01/2020 6:55:29 AM PDT by poconopundit (Iron fist in an Irish velvet glove: Kayleigh "Shillelagh" McEnany we salute your work!)
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To: poconopundit

bfl....Thanks pocono


35 posted on 07/03/2020 7:17:02 AM PDT by my job (15,000,000 armed teachers...no mass shootings)
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To: Kaslin

Modern day Pravda. The beltway media use to speak as the voice of the people. It’s now the mouthpiece of the ruling elites.

A new group of Patriots have arisen to free the country from the robber barrons who have destroyed the very Republic they claimed to represent.

Keep on polling......


36 posted on 07/21/2020 1:57:51 PM PDT by blackberry1
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