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500 years after Aztec rule, Mexico confronts a complicated anniversary
National Geographic ^ | 8/12/21 | ANDRÉS RESÉNDEZ

Posted on 08/12/2021 2:02:01 PM PDT by Borges

Was the 1521 surrender of the great Indigenous empire to the Spanish crown a triumphant conquest, an existential tragedy—or even a genocide?

The remains of a massive cypress tree sits inside a small plaza in Mexico City, surrounded by fencing and illuminated by four spotlights at night. An old sign explains its significance: “This is the tree where Hernán Cortés wept after being defeated by the Aztec defenders.”

We Mexicans call it El Árbol de la Noche Triste, or The Tree of the Sad Night, and learn about it since grade school from government-issued history textbooks. The story goes something like this: In March 1519, a couple of hundred Spaniards, led by a stubborn but resourceful man with some legal training named Hernán Cortés, appeared on the Gulf of Mexico coast. They established contact with the mighty Aztecs of central Mexico and, after exchanging messages and gifts, made their way to the Valley of Mexico and the Aztec stronghold of Tenochtitlan (downtown Mexico City).

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: aztec; aztecs; conquistador; conquistadors; cortez; mexico; spain
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To: Borges

“Confronts”? I just spent 2 weeks in Mexico City. They’re getting ready for a big celebration! They are building a giant pyramid in the Zocalo and getting ready to party.

American media really need to stop trying to force the woke nonsense onto our “Latinx” neighbors.


41 posted on 08/12/2021 3:06:24 PM PDT by AC86UT89
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To: Borges
The landowners then, who were mostly of Spanish origin.

And the thing is, racial hierarchies leave behind a more bitter taste than class or estate hierarchies. If your ancestors were Spanish peasants you may not know who to blame and may not have much of a grievance anymore. If you are a Mexican Indian, it's different.

42 posted on 08/12/2021 3:06:59 PM PDT by x
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To: AC86UT89

I agree. Today’s Mexicans should be ashamed of how some of their ancestors treated some of their other ancestors.

/s


43 posted on 08/12/2021 3:10:56 PM PDT by AC86UT89
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To: Borges
Yeah.

No.

About the same time the Spanish were in Mexico my family was dealing with the french and, a bit later, the English. They, while no angels, did not act like the Spanish possibly because they were not corrupted by the mohammedan religion.

44 posted on 08/12/2021 3:12:22 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (I refuse to be afraid. I refuse to bow. I refuse to take any job I do not wish to. So BUZZ OFF!)
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To: DesertRhino

The Conquistadors were maybe 1 generation removed from the Reconquista. They had fathers uncles even older brothers who had fought the Moors
They were tough nasty guys looking to make a fortune with no good job prospects at home other than fighting the French and or hiring out to some other European power. The tactics and weapons they had were too much for Aztecs Incas and others. Horses, iron and leather armor, guns, crossbow, war dogs, steel swords, Lance.


45 posted on 08/12/2021 3:12:26 PM PDT by nomorelurker
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To: x

Even people descendant from Spanish can be really nasty and woke cultist about it. They see it like being the product of a rape.


46 posted on 08/12/2021 3:12:46 PM PDT by Borges
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To: DesertRhino

Cortes had auxiliaries made up of indigenous tribes struggling under Aztec rule. Not just the 200 men.


47 posted on 08/12/2021 3:15:22 PM PDT by rstrahan
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

At its height, ‘El Andalus’ was probably the most advanced region in Europe - I’m talking about the era of Maimonides etc. You sound like you’re repeating the notorious Black Legend.


48 posted on 08/12/2021 3:15:38 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges

Not so different from American kids today who always claim to identify with the historical underdogs.


49 posted on 08/12/2021 3:20:02 PM PDT by x
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To: Honorary Serb

The main reason wasn’t even smallpox. It was a woman named Malinche who was multilingual who facilitated communication between Cortez and neighboring ally tribes AND the Aztecs. He could not have formed the alliances he needed to defeat them.


50 posted on 08/12/2021 3:23:32 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: DesertRhino

Did they kill 330,000 little kids a year?


51 posted on 08/12/2021 3:26:58 PM PDT by MarvinStinson
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To: AC86UT89

Why are they having a celebration in Spanish? Shouldn’t they be having the celebration in the native Aztec language? Spanish is the language of the European colonialists.


52 posted on 08/12/2021 3:31:46 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Gone but not forgiven.)
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To: DesertRhino
When I was stationed in the Azores, the first Portuguese man I met had been a soldier in Angola.   He had PTSD from combat where they used automatic weapons, probably M3 grease guns, against tribesmen with spears charging them in wave after wave.   Parallels from the 20th Century make your comment easily understood.
53 posted on 08/12/2021 3:41:33 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken )
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To: Chickensoup

Bernal Diaz says he is not sure if the Spanish, during their visit, were fed human meat or not. Montezuma often ate it.


54 posted on 08/12/2021 3:47:25 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (30 days! FB jail for mentioning a Monty Python script about tranneys, and the 1936 Olympics.)
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To: BenLurkin

Ohhh! A nice painting from Nat Geo back when it was not a political magazine.


55 posted on 08/12/2021 3:48:47 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (30 days! FB jail for mentioning a Monty Python script about tranneys, and the 1936 Olympics.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping


56 posted on 08/12/2021 3:53:20 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Lean on Joe Biden to follow Donald Trump's example and donate his annual salary to charity.s)
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To: Honorary Serb

The thing about smallpox and other diseases is no one knew what caused it. It was believed “Bad Air”, a ‘witches hex’ or the ‘evil eye’ were the cause of it.


57 posted on 08/12/2021 3:54:39 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (30 days! FB jail for mentioning a Monty Python script about tranneys, and the 1936 Olympics.)
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To: Borges
By the time of the Reconquista, the Islamic world (including in Andalusia) had rejected the possibility of "enlightenment" and rejected many of the principles that made the Renaissance possible. May I suggest Aristotle's Children by Richard E. Rubenstein as an excellent explanation of how the Islamic world was slipping back into the intellectual barbarism that still plagues it today.
58 posted on 08/12/2021 3:54:41 PM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwaet! Lar bith maest hord, sothlice!)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

***It was a woman named Malinche***

Actually two people. A man and a woman. She knew Aztec and Mayan, and a Spaniard who had been held captive in Yucatan and knew Mayan.

Cortez told the Spaniard what to say and he translated into Mayan.
Malinche then translated from Mayan into Aztec.


59 posted on 08/12/2021 3:59:24 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (30 days! FB jail for mentioning a Monty Python script about tranneys, and the 1936 Olympics.)
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To: Borges

I won’t create an account with Disney/National Geographic in order to read the story.

I’d read it if anyone can get us all a free copy.


60 posted on 08/12/2021 4:01:58 PM PDT by Wuli
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