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The EUthanized EUropean nat-gas “reserves”
the saker ^ | September 16, 2022 | Jorge Vilches

Posted on 09/21/2022 3:53:17 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian

Sir Isaac Newton vs. the EC

There are plenty of formal peer-reviewed industry papers and articles published in specialized international oil & gas journals regarding theoretical “huge volumes” of supposed European nat-gas “reserves”. Supposedly, such reserves would “solve” the absolutely unnecessary self-inflicted European nat-gas crisis. Furthermore, there are lots of curious back-of-the-envelope ´calculations´ plus added blah blah blah with the very same prognosis in mind. And even some European Commission members are on record describing a highly optimistic outlook on how long ( months ! ) would Europe´s natural gas reserves ´easily´ last after Russia stops delivering its traditional and highly reliable (and cheap) nat-gas feedstock. The hard part though — not ever explained by bureaucratic ignoramuses — is exactly how such nat-gas reserves would be forced out of their current storage without any back-flow pressure from Russian nat-gas to push it as required by Isaac Newton´s fluid mechanics, who if alive today would obviously be a hard-core Brexiteer.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: backflowpressure; collaboratorsite; enemycollaborator; energyschadenfreude; european; fluiddynamics; gas; germany; haha; itistolaugh; jorgevilches; keinerdgasfursie; keinolfursie; lng; russianpropaganda; thesaker; ttfisat60; winteriscoming
Main points is, if the reserves exist, they cannot be accessed without Russian help.

The authorities are lying. Again.

Europe is screwed.

1 posted on 09/21/2022 3:53:17 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian
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To: JonPreston; Cathi; BobL; mac_truck; Allegra; DesertRhino; Kazan; NorseViking; cranked; ...

Fascinating.


2 posted on 09/21/2022 4:11:37 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
Looks like the German government officials are trying out their new pirate names:

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Germany-Seizes-Control-Of-Russian-Owned-Refinery.html

Arrrr!

3 posted on 09/21/2022 4:14:27 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

“Europe is screwed.”

While I agree Europe is screwed, my Russian Physics training (being that I’m a Russian agent here) doesn’t line up with the claims being made. According to my instructor at Moscow State, Professor Visconsleyokiev, drawing down from a storage tank should not, necessarily, require a constant inflow of the same element*.

*might be a translation issue there, but you get the point

But in any case, Europe simply doesn’t have enough capacity to ride out this winter - and they’ll soon discover just that.


4 posted on 09/21/2022 4:23:20 PM PDT by BobL (By the way, low tonight in Latvia: 42 degrees)
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To: kiryandil

What a crock of ignorant BS in the OP article camouflaged behind a variety of buzz words. Technology and fluid mechanics totally warped behind anything I’ve ever come across.

This is not opinion…. Is fact….


5 posted on 09/21/2022 4:32:05 PM PDT by Hootowl99
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To: Former Proud Canadian
Europe and especially Germany are definitely screwed. My understanding is that the UK is importing roughly 10% of its projected energy needs from the us in the form of wood chips.

The irony of having to revert, not to coal, the fuel which allowed Britain to lead the industrial revolution...but to wood is really something. I mean what, we're back into the 1780's?

6 posted on 09/21/2022 4:36:31 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Apoplectic is where we want them)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

When in doubt — consult Greta, Al Gore or Frau Merkel.

When you’re out of money ask America.


7 posted on 09/21/2022 4:45:08 PM PDT by 353FMG (Secretly practicing my Putin swagger..)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

I’m copying below a comment at the linked site refuting the silliness of this article:

“ I am an engineer, and at one point worked in the nat gas industry. There are three principal means of gas storage. The dominant one in terms of capacity is underground storage. Gas is pumped into underground cavities—these are not huge caverns, as some imagine them, but typically volumes of porous rock left over after petroleum or saline extraction—under high pressure, often 200 bar (1 bar is atmospheric pressure). When gas is re-extracted from them, all but 1 bar of pressure can be recovered, leaving only 0.5% of gas, under atmospheric pressure, in the ground. The idea of “flushing” these cavities with new gas is stark nonsense; the net result would be that you would be replacing that remaining atmospheric pressure gas with other gas, for no net gain. 99% of the gas in these cavities can be recovered, 0.5% (or more, depending on local geology) is lost to leakage within ground, and 0.5% remains at atmospheric pressure. Then if gas is available, the storage can be refilled.

The other, much smaller volume of storage is in aboveground tanks, at atmospheric pressure. These tanks have mobile roofs with liquid edge seals—lids in effect—that seal the top of the gas storage, and move down as gas is depleted. Their weight supplies some of the pressure to get the gas out, but mostly it is just pumped out with compressors (which can act as vacuum pumps quite well) and the roof follows it down. No “flushing with other gas” is done, either. These tanks have the convenience of being able to be erected anywhere regardless of local geology, and mostly serve as on-site storage for gas powerplants or gas-processing petrochemical facilities.

The third type, recently increasing, is LNG storage. These tanks are the smallest, because they must be slightly pressurized, and so their structure must be much more robust. Often, they are buried underground, but this is for better thermal insulation rather than for pressure support. The LNG tanks hold the gas in liquid form, much more condensed than even the underground 200bar facilities, but the downside is that the gas must be refrigerated to very low temperatures to remain liquid at near-atmospheric pressures. This is not like the bottled *propane* gas that can be stored liquid at room temperatures. And guess what, there is no “flushing out” with other gas going on here as well.

In conclusion, the concept of getting gas out of storage by forcing it out with the same amount of “fresh” natural gas is utter nonsense, as even a moment of considered reflection will make obvious. You could, I suppose, try to flush it out with a neutral gas like nitrogen, but what you would get out of it is a dilute mixture of methane and nitrogen, and it would make no sense economically, as nitrogen is expensive to obtain, in terms of energy—you obtain it in industrial quantities by refrigerating air until it liquefies, then distilling oxygen and nitrogen apart. You cannot flush the gas out with air, because at some point an explosive mix would be reached.”


8 posted on 09/21/2022 5:07:11 PM PDT by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA-PRO-MAX!)
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To: BobL

Yep…see post 8 above.


9 posted on 09/21/2022 5:08:09 PM PDT by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA-PRO-MAX!)
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To: BobL

Oh… and Professor Visconsleyokiev was a great teacher!🤣😂


10 posted on 09/21/2022 5:11:20 PM PDT by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA-PRO-MAX!)
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To: House Atreides
The other, much smaller volume of storage is in aboveground tanks, at atmospheric pressure. These tanks have mobile roofs with liquid edge seals—lids in effect—that seal the top of the gas storage, and move down as gas is depleted. Their weight supplies some of the pressure to get the gas out, but mostly it is just pumped out with compressors (which can act as vacuum pumps quite well) and the roof follows it down. No “flushing with other gas” is done, either. These tanks have the convenience of being able to be erected anywhere regardless of local geology, and mostly serve as on-site storage for gas powerplants or gas-processing petrochemical facilities.

Yes, I've seen these.

11 posted on 09/21/2022 5:14:44 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Proud member of the control group)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

The power plant turbines could use liquid fuel just as airliner turbines do.

The ordinary people of the EU are getting fleeced yet again.


12 posted on 09/21/2022 5:19:36 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: House Atreides

“Yep…see post 8 above.”

Thanks, it didn’t make sense to me either, and from what I can tell, it didn’t make sense to Professor Visconsleyokiev, as he seemed to think it was BS, although he spent most of his lectures bitching about Napoleon and sometimes didn’t cover anything technical.


13 posted on 09/21/2022 6:03:35 PM PDT by BobL (By the way, low tonight in Latvia: 42 degrees)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

“The Saker” ==> “Stop the Empire’s war on Russia”?

Another wacko website.


14 posted on 09/21/2022 7:01:08 PM PDT by SpeedyInTexas (The Only Good RuZZian is a Dead RuZZian)
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To: SpeedyInTexas; Former Proud Canadian

[You’ll need to follow the link for some of the information, formatting and images.]

The Saker – blind loyalty, disguised as defiance
EUvsDisinfo
JUNE 29, 2020
https://euvsdisinfo.eu/the-saker-blind-loyalty-disguised-as-defiance/

A Network of the Kremlin’s Obedient Followers
The Saker of the Vineyard is a blog by a retired Swiss Red Cross officer, residing in Florida and defending Russia against an enigmatic Empire. The Saker has become a franchise for an international network of pro-Kremlin outlets, with branches in German, Italy, Latin America, and Russia. A Saker is a sort of falcon, falco cherrug, endemic to the steppes of Eurasia. The name of the blog is an anagram of the blogger’s name.

The Saker connects Russian nationalist groups and outlets with North American anti-Semite groups; Russian communists with French and Italian right-wing activist. Devote Christians with aggressive thugs. It’s a successful franchise in disinformation.

So what is The Saker? Let’s start with the original, English language version of the site. It’s registered in Iceland. The blog started as a humble Blogspot site in 2007 and developed slowly into an international brand. The site’s tagline is “Stop the Empire’s War on Russia”. The author describes himself:

Disrespectful of social dogmas and norms, oppositional and defiant towards authority, rebellious and aggressive by nature, deeply contrarian on an almost knee-jerk level, libertarian in outlook.

The Saker sounds like a really impressive guy; with integrity. “Defiant towards authority”. Wow. We all want to be like The Saker. His defiance is, unfortunately, very much one-sided. He is devotedly aligning himself with anything that the Kremlin says. Ukraine is ruled by Nazis; The Baltic States are Aggressive; Russia is bringing peace to Syria. Virtually anything the Kremlin lies about is repeated, faithfully, by The Saker: MH17, Skripal – even the Eurovision Song Contest is narrated the Kremlin way.

The Evil Empire
The Real Enemy of The Saker is “The Empire”. The tagline of The Saker’s blog is “Stop the Empire’s War on Russia”. And it’s not just any old empire – it’s the Anglo-Zionist Empire. The Saker breaks it down in detail:

The US Empire is run by a 1% (or less) elite which can be called the “deep state” which is composed of two main groups: Anglos and Jews. These two groups are in many ways hostile to each other (just like the SS and SA or Trotskysts and Stalinists), but they share 1) a racist outlook on the rest of mankind 2) a messianic ideology 3) a phenomenal propensity for violence 4) an obsession with money and greed and its power to corrupt. So they work together almost all the time.

The Saker has a ready answer to anyone suggesting that the above claim is a racist, anti-Semite remark:

I don’t care.

Syndicated Disinformation
The Saker is strongly integrated into both Kremlin-controlled networks and homegrown US-based conspiracy groups. The Saker and South Front syndicate content; a special section of The Saker Site is devoted to reports from South Front. The Saker personally contributes to sites in Canada, the US and to Russian nationalist groups. The site contains a selection of news sources – most are affiliated to Russian state or oligarch structures. RT, Sputnik, New Eastern Outlook, Strategic Culture Foundation, South Front, News Front and other contributors to the EUvsDisinfo Database on Disinformation

The site has a rather impressive traffic – data from Similarweb shows that the site had over 360 000 visitors in May. Most visitors come from the US, some from Canada.

Saker is in all a fairly mainstream conspiracy site. The unique selling point is that the site combines a slightly leftist anti-colonialist sentiment – suggesting the USA as the evil force in global politics – with traditional right-wing approaches to Jews, Moslems, the LGTB community etc. He is eloquently supporting Orthodox Christian values, as long as the Orthodoxy is commanded by the Kremlin.

The Franchise “The Saker” has developed into a community. The Saker’s readers can share tips on what to read, what to grow and how to stay healthy; the list of reliably pro-Kremlin news makes the members of the community feel comfortable and cosy inside the bubble. And an entire set of different language versions is found. The English version links versions of The Saker in French, in Italian, in Spanish, Serbian and Russian. And with some digging we can find a few more: A German version, a defunct New Zealand version.

And the spirit of “Defiance towards Authority” certainly runs deep in across community.

The Saker Network share IP address. All, except the French and German versions, are registered at the same US hosting, NameCheap Inc. in Florida:

Obviously all those sites share content, provided by Mr. Saker himself. After all – it is his network, where he, as he puts it himself, is the “benevolent dictator”. Other frequent contributors are all frequently contributing to various parts of the pro-Kremlin network. From various perspective all join in attacking “The Anglo-Zionist Empire”. Some focus on the “Anglo” part, others on the imperialism, others yet – on the Zionist element. There’s something for everybody on the Saker’s Smorgasbord.

Masculine Virtues
So what is the Russian connection? The first element – of course – The Saker’s loyal following the Kremlin’s narratives. The second is the exchange of content, strictly within a pro-Kremlin network; and the third element – some of the authors of the Russian version of the Saker are tightly connected to Russian nationalist circles. Under his real name, Andrei Raevsky, The Saker regularly writes articles for the Svobodnaya Pressa website; one of the most influential platforms for a Russian nationalist, Ukraine hostile, USSR-nostalgic sentiment.

The Saker is a successful instrument for reaching out to an international audience. It has a vaguely intellectual approach, with references to philosophy, theology and dubious sources. It is a cosy, secluded environment, reaffirming any kind of prejudice and bigotry, allowing the readers to indulge in hatred while pretending to be reasonable and rational, courageous truth-sayers; a bastion of free men:

What is needed now in the West are more typically-masculine virtues.

Like the virtue of Defiance Towards Authority, as long as the authority is not in the Kremlin.


15 posted on 09/21/2022 7:32:43 PM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

His whole post is based on the assumption the underground storage is not highly pressurized. It is. That whole screed is BS.


16 posted on 09/21/2022 7:37:01 PM PDT by cpdiii (CANE CUTTER-DECKHAND-ROUGHNECK-OILFIELD CONSULTANT-GEOLOGIST-PILOT-PHARMACIST)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

This author has no freaking idea what they are talking about.


17 posted on 09/21/2022 10:29:14 PM PDT by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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To: familyop

Thanks for your post.


18 posted on 09/22/2022 2:56:22 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Proud member of the control group)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

You’re very welcome!


19 posted on 09/22/2022 4:18:48 PM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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