Posted on 12/15/2022 1:59:01 PM PST by RandFan
A recent poll showed nearly half of Americans surveyed want Washington to stop pushing for more war in Ukraine and start pushing for Kyiv to sit down for peace negotiations, even if it means giving up land to Russia to achieve an end to the fighting.
The Ipsos poll was conducted by The Chicago Council on Global Affairs and found 47 percent of Americans want negotiations to begin, which is noticeable increase from July, when 38 percent held the opinion. The poll was conducted from 18-20 November.
The vast majority of Americans still support weapon transfers and sanctions against Russia, but the poll now showed a divide on “whether the United States should support Ukraine as long as it takes or if it should urge Kyiv to settle for peace as soon as possible.”
As we’ve extensively documented, any mention of peace has been banned in the media.
Nicholas Kristof, the columnist for The New York Times, penned an article today titled, “Are We in the West Weaker Than Ukrainians.” He argued that the Americans seeking a peaceful settlement must “gladden the heart” of Russian President Vladimir Putin.
(Excerpt) Read more at trendsinthenews.substack.com ...
And most of that half lives in and around places like Chicago and Florida, promoting drug abuse and foreign imports.
Ignorance or denial of history is no excuse.
-fJroberts-
I did neither. I said that the events cited are not land for peace.
SCHWAB has stated that China is the role for the future. His son was the head of the WEF office in Beijing and he’s married to a Chinese woman.
You posit both.
e.g. The peoples subsumed into the Roman Empire were indeed trading land for peace.
(ok, so it was less than a thousand years)
-fJRoberts-
Texas, the American Southwest, the thirteen colonies ...
Earlier today, Ukraine’s parliament voted to remove President Viktor Yanukovych from office, after months of anti-government protest.
The people did not remove him from office.
If you want a real primer on Ukraine, you should read US Amb Jack Matlock’s article on Ukraine. He was the last US Ambassador to the Soviet Union. Matlock is a career foreign service officer.
Jack Foust Matlock Jr. (born October 1, 1929)[1] is an American former ambassador, career Foreign Service Officer, a teacher, a historian, and a linguist. He was a specialist in Soviet affairs during some of the most tumultuous years of the Cold War, and served as the U.S. Ambassador to the Soviet Union from 1987 to 1991.
Matlock became interested in Russia as a Duke University undergraduate, and after studies at Columbia University and a stint as a Russian-language instructor at Dartmouth College, entered the Foreign Service in 1956. His 35-year career encompassed much of the Cold War period between the Soviet Union and the United States. His first assignment to Moscow was in 1961, and it was from the embassy there that he experienced the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis, helping to translate diplomatic messages between the leaders. The next year he was posted to West Africa, and he later served in East Africa, during the post-colonial period of superpower rivalry.
At the beginning of détente, he was director of Soviet affairs in the State Department, and began to participate in the summit meetings between the leaders, eventually attending all but one of the U.S.–Soviet summits held in the 20-year period 1972–91. Matlock was back in Moscow in 1974, serving in the number two position in the embassy for four years. The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in early 1980 ended the period of reduced tensions. Matlock was assigned to Moscow again in 1981 as acting ambassador during the first part of Ronald Reagan’s presidency. Reagan appointed him as ambassador to Czechoslovakia and later asked him to return to Washington in 1983 to work at the National Security Council, with the assignment to develop a negotiating strategy to end the arms race. When Mikhail Gorbachev became the leader of the Soviet Union in 1985, arms negotiations and summit meetings resumed. Matlock was appointed ambassador to the Soviet Union in 1987 and saw the last years of the Soviet Union before he retired from the Foreign Service in 1991.
After leaving the Foreign Service, he wrote an account of the end of the Soviet Union titled Autopsy on an Empire,[2] followed by an account of the end of the Cold War titled Reagan and Gorbachev: How the Cold War Ended,[3] establishing his reputation as a historian. He joined the faculty of the Institute for Advanced study and he went on to teach diplomacy at several New England colleges. In 1998, Matlock was elected to the American Philosophical Society. He lives in Princeton, New Jersey.
Matlock was a career Sovietologist who at a minimum has a strong affinity for Russia. That certainly clouds his judgement and renders it worthless due to bias. That is very common in those professional circles. Didn’t you work for State Department? You would know that, then, of course.
None of the above.
At the core, land for peace is something done out of weakness.
If you are saying that developing expertise in a certain region or country can lead to clientitis, there is a certain truth to that. On the flip side, understanding your adversary, his culture, values, history etc. can offer invaluable insights.
Anyone who has been stationed in the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact countries does not develop an affinity for the Communists. Having been posted two years in Warsaw during the days of Solidarnosc and four years in West Berlin, I developed a real bias against Communism and it’s destruction of the human spirit.
Matlock understands what the Soviet Union was about. He is not an apologist for their behavior. Did you read the article I linked to?
America’s greatest diplomat in the 20th century, George Kennan, was outspoken in 1997 about NATO expansion. He viewed it as our biggest postwar foreign policy mistake. Kennan’s Long Telegram from Moscow formed the basis for our containment policy and led to the eventual collapse of the Soviet Union.
As someone who served 28 years as an FSO, I have the highest regard for Jack Mattlock’s observations and insights. They are far from being “worthless.”
But without Xi.
Well, my wife IS an ethnic Russian...
Not entirely so. It works for criminals like Commodomir Zelensky, i.e. we'll provide you with a small piece of real-estate within which you can adopt a more peaceful mode of living....
Opus?
1. IF there is a peace settlement now, that certainly won't deter russia from re-starting the war once they re-stock their weapons; and
2. A LOT of people are under the mistaken belief that Ukraine will automatically be our friends because we have propped them up in this war. I strongly suspect they will sell out to whomever crosses their palms with the most silver - probably the chicoms, and tell Pedo Joe's simpletons to shove it.
I have as much proof of my statement as you have of yours.
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