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The Inside Story on the F-22's Chinese Spy Balloon Kill (6 MIN VIDEO)
youtube.com ^ | 2/5/2023 | Ward Carroll

Posted on 02/06/2023 9:29:56 AM PST by bitt

Ward gives the details behind the F-22 shootdown of the Chinese Spy Balloon that occurred on February 4, 2023, the first kill by a Raptor in the history of that stealth fighter.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: chinesespyballoon; f22
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To: bitt

bttt

6 min video


21 posted on 02/06/2023 10:50:44 AM PST by thinden (buckle up ....)
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To: NWFree

Not much to brag about. An unmanned balloon floating leisurely along is not exactly a dogfight.


22 posted on 02/06/2023 10:52:18 AM PST by Gnome1949
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To: Yo-Yo

Yet the payload appears intact after the hit and only seems to breakup after falling some distance.


23 posted on 02/06/2023 11:01:45 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: takebackaustin
The video shows the sidewinder hitting the base of the balloon, as you say, which is counterintuitive if you accept the narrator statement that it was targeting in the optical band. It could be the black spot was hotter than the envelope, but I doubt it. The top part was reflecting direct sunlight.

The AIM-9X missile, the one that the F-22 used to engage the balloon, has an imaging infrared sensor, which can lock onto a target both by its heat source and by its infrared shape. This is to reduce the ability to decoy the missile with infrared flares, which while being a much stronger IR source than an aircraft, would have a vastly different shape.

The AIM-9X cannot be targeted at the instrument package or the balloon envelope discriminately. Nobody purposely targeted the balloon in such a way as to not be able to recover anything. That's akin to asking the police to shoot the gun out of a bad guy's hand instead of just shooting for center of mass.

The AIM-9X has an imaging infrared sensor that locks onto a heat source, then tracks its shape as it approaches. This is to minimize the ability of hostile aircraft to decoy the missile with infrared flares. The flare would be a bigger heat source, but not match the shape of the initial target at lock-on, so the flares would be more likely to be ignored.

The balloon envelope would be at the same temperature as the background air, so it would not be an easy IR target. The electronics package, however, would be giving off heat.

24 posted on 02/06/2023 11:03:27 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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To: rx

This was all about SIGINT


And specifically about ELINT.


25 posted on 02/06/2023 11:06:48 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: rx

“it was targeting in the optical band”

That was in reference to how the video narrator said the missile targeted the balloon, not the purpose of the balloon.


26 posted on 02/06/2023 11:16:58 AM PST by takebackaustin
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To: Yo-Yo
"AIM-9X looks like it hit the gondola payload, not the balloon envelope.

Which means there probably won't be much of value to find in the ocean off the coast."

If it's a ChiCom spying machine wouldn't that be exactly what they would want?

27 posted on 02/06/2023 11:19:54 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again," )
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To: bitt

Has anyone wondered how the balloon’s instruments were powered?

I have an idea…hunt: how would NASA power it?


28 posted on 02/06/2023 11:20:47 AM PST by RossA
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To: Yo-Yo

Thanks, that makes sense.


29 posted on 02/06/2023 11:22:49 AM PST by takebackaustin
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To: PIF
Yet the payload appears intact after the hit and only seems to breakup after falling some distance.

Are you kidding? The payload was turned into a puff of debris. What fell were the solar panels.

30 posted on 02/06/2023 12:02:51 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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To: bitt; Fred Nerks

Biden allowed surveillance of our strategic assets.

When the public found out, Biden was forced to act after the fact.

If I was a Taiwan resident, I would now know that Biden would act only after the fact if an invasion of Taiwan, and in a cursory fashion at that. I would be looking to GTFO of Taiwan...this inaction by Biden proves that Taiwan is going down.Just like he allowed the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
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JOe Biden is a loser. Americans dislike losers. Biden has no hope at all of winning in 2024 s a result.

Biuden will lkely be booed in his SOTU address tonight.

I won’t even watch the lying ba$tard.His actions confirm that he stole the 2020 election.


31 posted on 02/06/2023 12:13:52 PM PST by Candor7 ( ( Ask not for whom THE Trump trolls...He trolls for thee!))
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To: bitt

Why wasn’t an AWACs plane used to jam it, to take control of it, and then bring it down intact?


32 posted on 02/06/2023 12:51:58 PM PST by IAGeezer912 (One out of every 20 people on the face of the earth are Americans. We have won life's lottery.)
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To: Yo-Yo

I haven’t watched. Was there a warhead, or just kinetic?


33 posted on 02/06/2023 12:54:35 PM PST by steve86 (Numquam accusatus, numquam ad curiam ibit, numquam ad carcerem™)
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To: steve86
There was a warhead, and the shrapnel from the detonation obliterated the balloon envelope, and immediately detached the payload frame from the balloon.

The center portion of the payload was vaporized, while the large solar panels appeared to remain mostly intact.


34 posted on 02/06/2023 1:10:34 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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To: bitt

I’m sure glad we spent all those billions to build and maintain this fantastic airplane to shoot down balloons.

Great planning, great job.

About like shooting rabbits with a howitzer.

I believe the Spad shot down balloons in WWI. Fresh out of those so go for the Raptor.

Wonder what brave pilot drew the straw on that coveted mission to protect our sovereignty after the fact? A lawful order is all that is required no matter how stupid it is.


35 posted on 02/06/2023 1:14:50 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (Procrastination is just a form of defiance.)
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To: bitt

Alrighty, then.

My (prior) retort

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4128839/posts


36 posted on 02/06/2023 1:30:56 PM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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