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Did Vietnam peace protests stop Nixon using nuclear weapons?
theguardian ^ | 03/28/2023 | Charles Kaiser

Posted on 03/28/2023 9:09:41 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27

Anew documentary about demonstrations against the Vietnam war in late 1969 argues that the hundreds of thousands who filled the streets in Washington and almost every major US city convinced Richard Nixon to abandon a plan to sharply escalate the war, including the possible use of tactical nuclear weapons.

The Movement and The “Madman” will air on PBS on Tuesday. Produced and directed by the veteran documentarian Stephen Talbot, it evokes a peak moment of 1960s activism – and the “absolute disconnection” between what Nixon and his national security adviser, Henry Kissinger, were “deciding to do and the human costs of it, whether it’s to our own soldiers or [Vietnamese] civilians”.

(Excerpt) Read more at theguardian.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: nixon; nuclear; protests; vietnam
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To: ChicagoConservative27
......Did Vietnam peace protests stop Nixon using nuclear weapons?.....

NO!!!!

21 posted on 03/28/2023 10:42:11 AM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

More total BS from the left. Nixon was not about to use nukes in Vietnam.


22 posted on 03/28/2023 11:42:25 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: ChicagoConservative27

One of the big “wins” for the Left, was convincing people that Nixon was responsible for Vietnam, as if JFK and LBJ never existed.


23 posted on 03/28/2023 11:43:29 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: whitney69

“Never let a crisis go to waste.”


24 posted on 03/28/2023 11:45:55 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Williams

Hmph! I bet you think Jane Fonda was a traitor, too!

Tsk.

BTWay, I think she was. And, still hate her for it.


25 posted on 03/28/2023 12:19:29 PM PDT by bobbo666 (Baizuo)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; BraveMan; cardinal4; ...
No. Next!
There was no covert campaign by a candidate to prevent the release of the hostages during the disastrous Carter regime.
None of the 'as told to an anonymous source' libels against Donald Trump are true or ever will be.

26 posted on 03/28/2023 12:31:51 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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This is a huge lie. For decades the official policy has been no first use.


27 posted on 03/28/2023 12:48:10 PM PDT by rxh4n1
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To: hinckley buzzard
Nukes were never on the agenda.

No kidding.

Can anyone name any target, anywhere in Viet Nam, Cambodia, or Laos, that was by any standard worth destroying with a nuclear weapon?

I can't think of one.

28 posted on 03/28/2023 12:53:52 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Communist historical revisionism at its finest!


29 posted on 03/28/2023 1:08:05 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is the next Sam Adams when we so desperately need him)
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To: whitney69
Your #19 provides a good review of the Viet Nam saga, but let's put just a bit sharper point on the end of it for the benefit of the younger readers.

As a result of the losses sustained commencing with the 1968 Tet Offensive, North VN and the Viet Cong were soon no longer able to field a combat force. The U.S. commenced withdrawing ground forces in 1969 and that was completed by 1972. Peace Accords were signed January 1973

You state: ...Nixon...started pulling out troops until we could no longer support the south and they fell in 1975.
Our support after the Accords consisted essentially of funds, munitions and equipment until the Democrat-led U.S. Congress legislated against any and all support.

Pulling out our troops was not the causative factor in South VN's fall - the fall was largely the result of both the Democrats suspending support to the South and the North resuming its invasion.

As you are no doubt aware, the historic photo of the helicopter evacuation from our Saigon embassy, used by the Left to document our "defeat", was taken during the North's 1975 invasion, a few years after we had left.

30 posted on 03/28/2023 1:10:53 PM PDT by frog in a pot (.A community can offer lasting prosperity only if it tends to hold its members accountable.)
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To: bobbo666

She and especially John Kerry were traitors.


31 posted on 03/28/2023 2:08:46 PM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: frog in a pot

Correct.

The Democrat Congress wouldn’t even let Ford send them military aid. He begged on national TV.


32 posted on 03/28/2023 2:10:11 PM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: NorthMountain

Hanoi and Haiphong Harbor.

Capitol city, source of all their weapons.

Nixon ended the war by bombing the hell out of Haiphong.


33 posted on 03/28/2023 2:11:54 PM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Nixon wasn’t a fool. He never seriously considered nukes. Clickbait nonsense.


34 posted on 03/28/2023 2:34:18 PM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: frog in a pot

“As a result of the losses sustained commencing with the 1968 Tet Offensive, North VN and the Viet Cong were soon no longer able to field a combat force.”

You know your history. But even when they pulled out, they didn’t exactly. They left some 7000 “advisors” that were still in Saigon until after 1973. And not all of them left even after the chopper picture taken in 1975.

“... until the Democrat-led U.S. Congress legislated against any and all support.”

This would be appropriate as it was democratic presidents and congress that got us into an actual nose to nose piece of the firefight. It was in 1961, after two decades of indirect military aid, U.S. President John F. Kennedy sent the first large force of U.S. military personnel to support the ineffectual autocratic regime of South Vietnam against the communist North. Three years later, with the South Vietnamese government crumbling, President Lyndon B. Johnson ordered limited bombing raids on North Vietnam, and Congress authorized the use of U.S. troops.

By 1965, North Vietnamese offensives left President Johnson with two choices: escalate U.S. involvement or withdraw. Johnson ordered the former, and troop levels soon jumped to more than 300,000 as U.S. air forces commenced the largest bombing campaign in history.

During the next few years, the extended length of the war, the high number of U.S. casualties, and the exposure of U.S. involvement in war crimes, such as the massacre at My Lai, helped turn many in the United States against the Vietnam War. The communists’ Tet Offensive of 1968, which you mentioned, crushed U.S. hopes of an imminent end to the conflict and galvanized U.S. opposition to the war.

In response, Johnson announced in March 1968 that he would not seek reelection, citing what he perceived to be his responsibility in creating a perilous national division over Vietnam. It was his decision to escalate troop use in 1964 some are reporting as many as half a million.

But the world, thanks to the media, is never going to recognize the efforts of Nixon trying to get us out of a can of worms opened by the democrats. And just like the Ukraine today, it wasn’t our war except to be used by politicians for limelight.

wy69


35 posted on 03/29/2023 7:14:47 AM PDT by whitney69
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