Posted on 08/06/2023 9:02:52 AM PDT by Macho MAGA Man
Former Vice President Mike Pence, a candidate for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, said Sunday on CNN’s “State of the Union” that former President Donald Trump and his lawyers asked him to “reject” the 2020 presidential vote.
Anchor Dana Bash said, “I’m sure you’ve heard the former president’s lawyers saying that he, quote, ultimately asked only that you pause in counting the electoral ballots. I want to be clear. Did the former president ask you to pause or did he at any point ask you to overturn the election and keep him as president?”
Pence said, “Well, you can look at the tweets and public statements that the president made, all the way up to the night before and the morning of. Look, what the president was convinced it seemed to me in December that I had some right to reject or return electoral votes, even though no vice president in American history had ever asserted that right. No vice president or any one president has ever had the right to choose the American president. The presidency belongs to the American people and the American people alone.”
He added, “But, look, in the days before, the president was talking about us rejecting votes, then late in the process, his lawyers suggested that we return votes to the states, but frankly, the day before January 6th, if memory serves, they came back, his lawyers did, and said, we want you to reject votes outright. They were asking me to overturn the election. I had no right to overturn the election.
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Yes. The “riot” was staged by Pelosi and her DOJ goons in order to make an emergency tally that under congressional rules could not be challenged by this worthless POS Pence.
Andrew would be ashamed of what Breitbart has become today. Similar path as the Drudge Report took, which used to be my aggregate news depot but now I haven’t visited it in years.
“This guy is a reincarnation of both Benedict Arnold and Judas.....all in one.”
That’s why I call him Pompous Pilate.
Pence is clearly expecting CNN to catapult him to the Presidency. Boy is *he* in for a surprise.
Don’t forget “honestly”.
I disagree. People who show up at the polls and vote with a ballot box have an absolute chain of custody, especially if they are required to show a photo id to vote.
Ballots appearing mysteriously from no known person should be regarded as invalid on the face of it. Absentee ballots used to be carefully rationed to only those people who needed them.
And especially with *THIS* election where there are so many other reasons to suspect fraud. Scrutiny should be even higher than normal with this many shenanigans going on.
And the government there decided not to throw them out, and the courts agreed, unfortunately in this case.
An act which makes absolutely no sense unless you postulate these officials are part of the corruption, which in the case of Maricopa county, certainly looks to be the case.
And that Judge? What kind of simpleminded cretin would use his sort of logic? This too implies the Judge is part of the vote fixing system in that county, because his decisions are too ridiculous to be taken seriously outside of corruption.
And of course that woman testified to the Arizona senate that every important public official was under the control of the Sinola drug cartel.
*THAT* makes more sense in explaining all the ridiculous decisions and behavior coming out of Maricopa county than any other thing. Cui Bono? Who benefits? The Drug cartels obviously.
The reason I bring that up is to show the consistency with how courts will almost always try to count votes, no matter the procedural issue, unless you can prove actual fraud.
I consider "courts" to be intellectually challenged when they are not flat out lying to make the law resemble their own personal whims.
I have an extremely low opinion of "courts", having seen many real life examples of courts being idiots, and I have always had a low opinion of them. I believe if they ever get anything right, it's an accident.
They are incompetent and/or corrupt. That is my view of courts.
I agree with that, but that is not the law in many states that allow drop boxes. We have to start working and thinking about what the laws are, not what we wish they were, when we're going to outright claim elections were stolen. I realize that some states implemented drop boxes outside the their normal laws in 2020, and once again I agree those votes shouldn't have been counted, but the courts said they should, which is consistent with how courts typically rule when ballots are submitted.
So you're never going to be able to disqualify ALL those votes. Trump needed to identify which ones were specifically questionable, based on duplicity, bad signature, death, etc. He never did much of that, or presented that level of detail. Without that level of analysis, courts are just going to accept them as valid, as a standard practice. In Gore/Bush in 2000, for example, they did the same thing with the dimpled ballots.
I don't have the greatest opinion of courts either, but on this topic they have been consistent. If you want to claim fraud, you have to prove actual fraud. And not one of Trump's court cases even alleged actual fraud. They just complained about the process on how votes were gathered, not that they weren't the voter's intention. That's an opportunity for crime, but not proof a crime was actually committed, and there's a big difference, especially in America where one is assumed innocent until proven guilty.
I see that as more proof that "courts" are incompetent.
So you're never going to be able to disqualify ALL those votes. Trump needed to identify which ones were specifically questionable, based on duplicity, bad signature, death, etc. He never did much of that, or presented that level of detail.
Do you recall the difficulty that the Cyber Ninjas had in trying to uncover this mess? They were fought every step of the way by the corrupt Maricopa county election officials.
Trump wouldn't have even gotten that far.
Without that level of analysis, courts are just going to accept them as valid, as a standard practice.
Again, "courts" are incompetent. My observation of "courts" is that if there is a way to screw it up, they will.
I don't have the greatest opinion of courts either, but on this topic they have been consistent.
They have been "argumentum ad antiquitatum." Otherwise know as "That's the way we've always done things."
Yes, once a "court" has gotten the notion that this is how other judges decided something, they can stop thinking for themselves and just go along with the previous "expert."
And not one of Trump's court cases even alleged actual fraud. They just complained about the process on how votes were gathered, not that they weren't the voter's intention.
My understanding from having read their commentary at the time is that they believed the approach they took would be more likely to result in a quick result rather than seeking a result that would not have arrived until it was too late to make any difference.
At least that's what their legal strategy was so far as anyone would say. They wanted a result fast enough to stop the certification of the fraudulent election, and they thought this legal maneuvering about officials operating without legislative sanction would get them there.
Some are, some aren't. But Trump's behavior in regularly insulting judges, etc, isn't going to help our cause any. It's actually textbook behavior of what you should NOT do if you want favor with the court.
Do you recall the difficulty that the Cyber Ninjas had in trying to uncover this mess?
Who said it was going to be easy? That's why Trump was donated $250 million to contest the election, that he used for rallies, instead. Do you know how many CyberNinja companies you could buy for $250 million? 100, or more?
They wanted a result fast enough to stop the certification of the fraudulent election, and they thought this legal maneuvering about officials operating without legislative sanction would get them there.
Which was probably correct. But as soon as J6 passed, he never filed another suit, not even to defend the J6'ers. He didn't defend himself in the J6 hearings in Congress. Now looks like he's not even going to really defend himself in court now, either, and just hopes to win the election and test the theory if a President can even pardon himself, or not. The judge just told him lay off Twitter attacks and he immediately went on a binge attacking her, witnesses, and threatening retribution to anyone who opposes him. What a bozo, most every lawyer in the country must be thinking. Hate the courts if you want, but Trump is literally just asking for it at this point.
It is a measure of how incompetent courts are that they could be moved by petty insults. Mature, competent people do not get worked up about people insulting them.
It's actually textbook behavior of what you should NOT do if you want favor with the court.
The courts should not be a place where favor is needed. The law should be applied objectively without favor.
That's why Trump was donated $250 million to contest the election, that he used for rallies, instead. Do you know how many CyberNinja companies you could buy for $250 million? 100, or more?
If you weren't buying legislators, it was pointless. Not even the Cyber Ninjas had any serious effect on Arizona's screwed up election system.
The judge just told him lay off Twitter attacks and he immediately went on a binge attacking her, witnesses, and threatening retribution to anyone who opposes him.
One of my first thought upon learning that the "judge" is a piece of sh*t idiot Obama appointee that is deep in political bias, was to insult her in the most egregious manner possible, and then demand a change of venue.
Make it clear that you cannot possibly get a fair trial from a corrupt/idiot judge, and get kicked into a different court.
I don't know if that is what Trump is attempting, but it was my first thought when I saw what sort of rat was going to be in charge of this "trial."
Hate the courts if you want, but Trump is literally just asking for it at this point.
Yeah, his better strategy is to act contrite and throw himself on the "mercy" of the court.
Because then they would go easy on him.
Go ahead and support Trump then. Rage at the courts like Don Quixote. Keep thinking that ramming your head against that brick wall like Trump does will finally make any difference.
I think most people that support him think we’ve already lost, and even deep inside know he’s not going to actually do any better this time, they just like having him out there to stir things up for a few kicks.
Whatever, go knock yourself out, I’m just more of a get things done guy, myself. That takes focus, planning, organization, team building, and execution. The less whining, the better. And whining seems to be all Trump is capable of, anymore.
Unless something changes in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Georgia, Arizona and Nevada, I think we are going to lose. Once they've tasted the fruits of election stealing, you aren't going to get them to stop until they get pain.
So long as they can rig elections, they won't get any pain.
But nobody else can do anything about the vote fraud problem, so we might as well get Trump.
I’m just more of a get things done guy, myself. That takes focus, planning, organization, team building, and execution.
Nobody has done anything to solve the vote fraud problem. All our efforts should be concentrated on fixing this first, because if we don't, it doesn't matter what else we do, we are still going to lose.
I agree with you on most all that, except thinking Trump is capable of winning for us anymore. He even seems like he’s self sabotaging himself about half the time.
And DeSantis did make some significant election improvements in Florida. I noticed Trump said yesterday he wants an official election commission setup, capable of investigating fraud, which something DeSantis did in Florida way back when Trump was still President.
In my mind, it is axiomatic that Trump's 74 million were real votes. It is also axiomatic that Biden's votes were hugely fraudulent, and I do not believe he did better than Barack Obama's vote tally, and likely not even as well as Barack Obama.
74 million votes is the highest recorded vote total for any president in history. Trump acquired massively more votes than he had in 2016. Again, these are *REAL* votes, not fake votes like Biden got.
And DeSantis did make some significant election improvements in Florida.
Yes he did, and it went from winning by a small percentage to winning by 20%. I often credit him with cleaning up the elections in Florida.
Trouble is, we haven't cleaned up the elections in states where they need to be cleaned up.
I noticed Trump said yesterday he wants an official election commission setup, capable of investigating fraud, which something DeSantis did in Florida way back when Trump was still President.
It's a good idea, but we can't implement it unless we win, and with rigged elections, we can't win.
This was why it was so important to keep talking about the rigged elections in 2020. This problem does not seem to have a "voting" solution.
It has a public getting very angry and the corruptocrats getting too scared to rig elections, solution.
Well, that's an opinion, or a hope. One that I used to have as well. But the facts haven't born that out yet. As we've already gone over in detail, just because you don't like ballot boxes, and neither do I, doesn't mean those votes are all fraudulent.
Yes he did, and it went from winning by a small percentage to winning by 20%. I often credit him with cleaning up the elections in Florida. Trouble is, we haven't cleaned up the elections in states where they need to be cleaned up.
Which is a failure of Trump. He was donated $250 million to do just that, but spent that money on PR at his rallies 18 months later instead. He left the hard work up to the My Pillow guy, and CyberNinjas, I mean, for real.
This was why it was so important to keep talking about the rigged elections in 2020.
No, the problem is, TALK is all that Trump ever does. He's a modern day Wizard of Oz. DeSantis did the work. The My Pillow guy and the CyberNinjas at least tried. Trump talked. That's it. We need more right now.
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