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China’s rise is reversing {November 2023}
Financial times ^ | 19th November 2023 | Rich Sharma

Posted on 11/20/2023 9:38:47 PM PST by Cronos

In a historic turn, China’s rise as an economic superpower is reversing. The biggest global story of the past half century may be over.

... Its share of the global economy rose nearly tenfold from below 2 per cent in 1990 to 18.4 per cent in 2021. No nation had ever risen so far, so fast.   

Then the reversal began. In 2022, China’s share of the world economy shrank a bit. This year it will shrink more significantly, to 17 per cent. That two-year drop of 1.4 per cent is the largest since the 1960s. 

These numbers are in “nominal” dollar terms — unadjusted for inflation — the measure that most accurately captures a nation’s relative economic strength. China aims to reclaim the imperial status it held from the 16th to early 19th centuries, when its share of world economic output peaked at one-third, but that goal may be slipping out of reach.    

...the world economy is expected to grow by $8tn in 2022 and 2023 to $105tn. China will account for none of that gain, the US will account for 45 per cent, and other emerging nations for 50 per cent. Half the gain for emerging nations will come from just five of these countries: India, Indonesia, Mexico, Brazil and Poland.

China’s real long-term potential growth rate — the sum of new workers entering the labour force and output per worker — is now more like 2.5 per cent.

(Excerpt) Read more at ft.com ...


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almost no matter what Xi does, his nation’s share in the global economy is likely to decline for the foreseeable future. It’s a post-China world now.
1 posted on 11/20/2023 9:38:47 PM PST by Cronos
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Maybe. All your Ukraine war posts have shown us one thing: you're really bad at predicting the future.

2 posted on 11/20/2023 9:41:19 PM PST by Right_Wing_Madman
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From what I see, China didn’t build a foundation for anything. It simply stole from the world without developing itself. Shallow ground, if it were.


3 posted on 11/20/2023 9:41:38 PM PST by Jonty30 (It turns out that I did not buy my cell phone for all the calls I might be missing at home.)
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

>> All [Chronos’s] Ukraine war posts have shown us one thing: you’re really bad at predicting the future.

ROFL! Amen.


4 posted on 11/20/2023 9:44:42 PM PST by Nervous Tick ("First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people...": ISLAM is the problem!)
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

I haven’t at any point attempted at predicting the future in my posts. You must be mistaking me with you and your fellow Putin fans who kept and keep insisting since March 2022 that Russia will soon conquer Lwow/ Lviv


5 posted on 11/20/2023 9:55:31 PM PST by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: Jonty30

I disagree, they did build economic ecosystems in car manufacturing, electronics and now mobile financial services.

But the communist party hamstrung creativity and innovation as those threaten the party’s grip on power. Chinese people can be brilliant, but they innovate mostly in the USA.

Ditto for Russians.

Catching up with the USA means allowing your people the freedom to think, innovate, fail and get up.


6 posted on 11/20/2023 9:58:17 PM PST by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: Nervous Tick

Ah, nervous tick. Didn’t you keep insisting that Russia would get Odessa, “soon”?


7 posted on 11/20/2023 9:59:18 PM PST by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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Filthiest country in the world regarding climate clean manufacturing and all our shelves are loaded with their products yet the Dems scream they want to protect the environment.


8 posted on 11/20/2023 10:00:22 PM PST by Beowulf9
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>> Ah, nervous tick. Didn’t you keep insisting that Russia would get Odessa, “soon”?

Well, no, I don’t believe I did. Can you furnish evidence to back up your claim? Or is that just more of your Zeeper slander?


9 posted on 11/20/2023 10:02:43 PM PST by Nervous Tick ("First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people...": ISLAM is the problem!)
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To: Jonty30
From what I see, China didn’t build a foundation for anything.

China's foundation is fine. It is home of a million factories. China's big problem is their fertility, not their economic productivity.

When your country's birth rate is 1.0 birth per woman, that means one grandchild needs to support four grandparents or one married couple needs to support eight grandparents. That is a mathematical certainty. No need to predict the future.

10 posted on 11/20/2023 10:09:54 PM PST by Right_Wing_Madman
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The stifling of creativity in China predates the communist party. The keju, or imperial exam system, started during the Sui dynasty (581-681). Choosing bureaucrats through merit rather than by circumstance of birth was a good idea at first. But it has resulted in an education system where rote memorization and “studying for the test” plays the dominant role.


11 posted on 11/20/2023 10:21:58 PM PST by Chad_the_Impaler
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To: Chad_the_Impaler

Sui Dynasty (581-618)


12 posted on 11/20/2023 10:23:10 PM PST by Chad_the_Impaler
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China's foundation is fine.

That should read "China's manufacturing foundation is fine."

13 posted on 11/20/2023 10:23:36 PM PST by Right_Wing_Madman
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it has resulted in an education system where rote memorization and “studying for the test” plays the dominant role.

This is a valid point. But the Chinese will argue that "rote memorization" leads to creativity afterwards. Nevertheless, it beats the current American education system of "why bother to study at all?"
14 posted on 11/20/2023 10:28:37 PM PST by Right_Wing_Madman
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“...an education system where rote memorization and “studying for the test” plays the dominant role. “


No ideal, but beats an education system of wokeness and total ignorance.


15 posted on 11/20/2023 10:49:58 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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In terms of relative industrial capacity, this analysis is a joke.

After Pearl Harbor, it was thought that Japan had no real chance to defeat the USA in a long war due to the disparity in industrial capacity.

As an example of the difference, in 1940, Japanese steel production per year was 9 million tons. US steel production was 80 million.

Fast forward to 2022. China produces over one billion tons of steel per year. The USA less than 100 million.

The USA is further behind industrially than the Japs when they bombed Pearl Harbor !


16 posted on 11/20/2023 10:58:52 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Jonty30

That’s right.

Economy based on providing slave labor to foreign corporations.


17 posted on 11/20/2023 11:03:39 PM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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Stuff like this is generally meaningless.

Governments can spend their way to GDP. Talking about “global economy” means nothing when the measurement if currency, created by a central bank on a whim.

China is doing just fine.


18 posted on 11/20/2023 11:32:53 PM PST by Owen (.)
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To: Reverend Wright; Cronos

Would you trust your life to Chinese steal?


19 posted on 11/21/2023 1:50:20 AM PST by nickcarraway
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If the choice is Chinese steel or nothing - I’d take the chinese steel.

In the event of war the USA will in a lot of cases have nothing because they don’t have the steel production capacity.

China has a well deserved reputation for cheap chink crap. But they can also make quality stuff when they want to.

They are at the point where Japan was, back in the day. Until ther early 60’s there was still the reputaion of cheap jap crap, but they quickly moved past that. And that is where China is right now.


20 posted on 11/21/2023 2:12:05 AM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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