Posted on 03/27/2024 7:21:03 PM PDT by nickcarraway
As President Biden struggles to improve in the polls, Democrats are increasingly worried that third-party candidates will swing the election to former President Donald Trump.
As of Monday, per RealClearPolitics polling averages, Trump held a popular-vote lead of 1.7% in a hypothetical one-on-one rematch.
Trump’s advantage, however, rose to 2.3% in the current five-way race, which includes Green Party candidate Jill Stein and independents Cornel West and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Kennedy is by far the greatest potential spoiler, drawing an average of 9.9% of the overall vote.
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I don’t understand why people vote third party. The next president will be either Trump or Biden, unless the Dems swap him out before November. When I vote, I vote for someone I hope will win and who has a chance of winning, not someone I know doesn’t have a snowball’s chance.
Third party Presidential candidates draw evenly disaffected voters evenly from both parties, which is what happened with Anderson and Perot in 1980 and 1992 respectively. Then after the election, the losers blame the third parties for their loss.
The press and political pundit class act like third parties are important when they have no real influence. If third parties were a factor in US politics, they would win elections and make policy and legislation. They don't. Look at Sanders, he is a solid Democrat despite the independent/socialist label.
RFK Jr had his flash in the pan, what is happening now is his fizzling out.
If the polls are to be believed, rfk being in the race gives 45 a slight increase percentage-wise.
That’s an excellent point.
But they would likely do one thing: Go after us in any and all ways possible, including banking/finances/SS/ pensions, etc with a vengeance.
“It may strip a few voters away, but Trump hate will rule all. The anti-Trumpers are borderline lunatics, my in-laws included.”
Perhaps so, but still, the anti-Trumpers only have to vote against Trump, of which they now have 4 choices (’Biden’, Kennedy, West, Stein) - while the Trump dingbats, like myself, will ONLY vote for Trump.
And now that Kennedy has aligned with a flaming Leftist, with BILLIONS in cash, it is really, really, bad news for the Democrats.
Agree. They’re stoking, not quelling turmoil and chaos.
I agree.
And Shanahan thinks she is a female Kennedy in that she became a billionaire by sleeping with billionaires.
Harris did the same thing. Now she's the VPOTUS.
So you’re saying Biden is too conservative?
I’m skeptical. How dem/independent voters have any idea who Nicole Shanahan is?
I don't see anyone of Perot's character and charisma and charm anywhere now, but it's altogether possible that a "third party" candidate could win the presidency in the future.
In many ways Perot paved the way for Trump. Because Trump pretty much ran as an outsider without much support from the Republican machine. Trump practically ran as a third party candidate. He just was smart enough to figure out how to do it by turning the system's resources against itself.
I’m simply saying that Biden is doing what the Moderate Liberal Capitalist Business Elites want he ain’t an actual member like the former banker President Emmanuel Macron in France.
Biden pretends to be on the side of Israel and the Palestinians at the same time.
Heck Joe tried to overthrow Netanyahu for trying to reform Israel’s judiciary that was hurting Netanyahu’s allies on the Right in Israel preventing their policies from becoming law.
Perot was an exception. George Wallace was another one. Otherwise, third parties genreally exist as a vehicle for ideas. I agree with you: there is no one of the calibre of Perot and there hasn’t been since Perot. I agree with you about Trump third-partying the GOP. And I am open to the possibility of a third party win in the future. One of the major parties going away might be healthy for the country. But most of the time a third-party vote for someone who has no chance of winning (e.g. Kennedy, No Labels, etc.), just
to hurt one of the major nominees, is a wasted vote in my opinion. If I don’t want Trump, I’ll vote for Biden, and vice versa. That’s where the rubber hits the road.
The word “progressive” is a major turnoff for the wobbly “probably for Trump” voters.
Attracts the Jill Stein types, however, the few of them around.
RFK Jr is behind the times if he thinks “There. I did it. An affirmative action female checked off. Do I get a prize?”
Most people say “No.”
If the polls are to be believed, rfk being in the race gives 45 a slight increase percentage-wise.
Mathematically, the more choices the Never Trumpers have, the better. Trump supporters have one choice, and will get all of their votes in one candidate.
Well said.
“I don’t know why any Republican would vote for him. Yet, he seems to be going for Republican support, and getting more of it than Dems.”
That’s likely because during the period he was running in the Dem primary, a lot of conservative media organizations were giving him a lot of air time to try to annoy / disrupt Biden. After he left the primary race, this backfired as a lot of false credibility was built with parts of the conservative base. Witness the number of people on here who promote him as an “advocate of free speech” when he has in fact one of the most notorious and prominent advocates of censorship:
RFK Jr. Says AGW Skeptics Should Be Silenced https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1864945/posts
Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. Blames Fairness Doctrine Abolishment for Conservatism Popularity https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2479527/posts
RFK Jr: You know, my uncle was also shot amid a climate of right-wing hate https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2655920/posts
Robert Kennedy Jr.: right-wing hosts spread hate https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2271218/posts
RFK Jr. Slams “Right-Wing Control of American Media” https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2967445/posts
RFK Jr: Right-Wing Controls American Media, Fox News Has Divided US to a Point not Seen Since Civil War https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2967311/posts
RFK, Jr.: Climate Skeptics ‘Should Be at the Hague with All the Other War Criminals’ https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3206882/posts
RFK, Jr. wants me jailed … as a war criminal https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3211190/posts
RFK Jr.: Hog farmers bigger threat than Osama https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2178592/posts
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Wants To Jail His Political Opponents https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3206573/posts
Lessons in civility from RFK, Jr. https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3509601/posts
Robert Kennedy Jr. Blames Reagan For 9/11 [for rolling back CAFE standards in 1986] https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1855875/posts
RFK Jr. spreads blame for environmental woes in New Bedford speech https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1913559/posts
RFK, Jr: ‘We have so much to learn from Cuba’ https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3243628/posts
RFK Endorses AOC’s Green New Deal, Calls for Climate Taxation https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4187998/posts
Watch RFK, Jr. lose it at climate change march when confronted about his hypocrisy https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3206578/posts
Andrea Mitchell Applauds RFK Jr.’s ‘Impassioned Plea’ for Obama to Stop Keystone Pipeline by Fiat https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3120692/posts
RFK jr: Sen. Inhofe is a “Call Girl” for Big Oil (But it’s OK to say it, he’s a Democrat after all) https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2855976/posts
Robert Kennedy, Jr.’s ‘Green’ Company Scored $1.4 Billion Taxpayer Bailout https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2808401/posts
RFK Jr. Claims Air America Was More Popular Than Conservative Radio https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2740193/posts
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Endorses Charlie Crist, Attacks Tea Party (Video) https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2606809/posts
RFK, Jr. 15 months ago: Global warming means no snow or cold in DC https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2446226/posts
Robert F. Kennedy, Jr: Innocent ACORN Defrauded by ACORN Workers https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2109548/posts
Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: ‘There Is No Liberal Media’(video barf!) https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2021728/posts
Kennedy Calls Skeptical Politicians ‘Traitors’ and ‘Corporate Toadies’ https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1864440/posts
Video: Stossel Takes Robert F. Kennedy Jr. On For Traitor Remark https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1864510/posts
RFK Jr. Calls Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck Lying ‘Flat Earthers’ https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1863207/posts
RFK (Robberbaron F. Kennedy) Jr. vs. Mike Gallagher on Energy Independence https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2033812/posts
The Incredible Shrinking Credibility of RFK, Jr. https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1644744/posts
RFK Jr.: Bush, Barbour to Blame for Katrina https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1473838/posts
Flashback - Palin’s Big Oil infatuation [End of snow forever in DC] https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3387273/posts
RFK Jr says Donald Trump has ‘discredited the American experiment’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7903551/Robert-Kennedy-Jr-says-Donald-Trump-discredited-American-experiment.html
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