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Why Are So Many Pushing for America to Have a Hot War with Russia?
American Thinker ^ | March 28, 2024 | Al Bienenfeld

Posted on 03/28/2024 9:19:58 AM PDT by Kazan

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***If the Ukraine people weren’t dumb, why did they elect Leonid Kravchuk, who you call a Russian shill as their first President? That’s on them. I’m not responsible for their bad decisions.***

It turns out that Ukraine was paid $110 million to sign the Budapest Memorandum and give up its nuclear weapons. It is the second poorest country in Europe (after Moldova) and after the collapse of the USSR times were tough so they must have really needed money. However, Kravchuk was previously the head of the Ukrainian branch of the Soviet Communist Party, so who knows where his loyalties really lay.

***The U.K. was also involved in the Budapest Memorandum. It’s time they stepped up, and encouraged the rest of Europe to step up too, and police their own backyard***

That has already happened.


141 posted on 04/01/2024 12:45:18 PM PDT by David Hunter
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"t turns out that Ukraine was paid $110 million to sign..."

It figures prostitutes love making money.

"...they must have really needed money..."

And I'm sure there was no accountability for where that money went, like there is no accountability for the billions Ukraine has already received from this country.

The U.K. stepping up..."that has already happened."

As of the end of February, the U.S. has sent $75.4 billion. The UK $17.5 billion. Even Japan has sent $8.3 billion, about half of what the U.K. has sent, and more than a lot of the other European countries. The UK needs to step up a little more, as do all the other nations. This is ludicrous.

142 posted on 04/01/2024 1:10:06 PM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: Kazan; canuck_conservative; MeganC; mewzilla

The outer perimeter, is the border of Ukraine, and nothing inside, is Russian territory.


https://twitter.com/BrilliantMaps/status/1498655743167315976

Electoral Geography:

https://www.electoralgeography.com/new/en/countries/u/ukraine/ukraine-independence-referendum-1991.html

- - - Ethnic Groups in Ukraine - 1926 Soviet Cencus

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Moscow's proxy war in, and invasion of, Ukraine, was planned by Putin, long ago:

Putin began planning the invasion of Georgia, in 1999.

Putin began planning the invasion of Ukraine, in 2003. See:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2AwAXcScds

On The Effective Use of Proxy Warfare - by Andrew Lewis Peek, May 2021, Dissertation for PhD

CHAPTER THREE: RUSSIA AND UKRAINE, 2013-2016 [pg 118 of 446 in the PDF file] "This chapter will examine Russia’s use of proxy forces in Ukraine from the beginning of demonstrations in Kiev’s Maidan Square on November 21, 2013 to the dissipation of the conflict in 2016. Though it covers all the high-intensity periods of the war, this chapter is focused on the fighting in Donbas and not Russia’s takeover of Crimea."

The Budapest Memorandum And The Russia-Ukraine Crisis

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143 posted on 04/01/2024 1:35:17 PM PDT by linMcHlp
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***As of the end of February, the U.S. has sent $75.4 billion. The UK $17.5 billion. Even Japan has sent $8.3 billion, about half of what the U.K. has sent, and more than a lot of the other European countries. The UK needs to step up a little more, as do all the other nations. This is ludicrous.***

The US economy is over 10 times larger than the UK economy. In 2023 US GDP was $27.36 trillion, whereas UK GDP was £2.274 trillion that year (the latter's economy is also 5% smaller due to Brexit). Japan's GDP in 2023 was $4.2106 trillion (approaching double that of the UK). You can hardly expect an economy as small as that of the UK to match the USA's contribution. The US dollar is also the International Reserve Currency which means you can basically print money without domestic inflation.

Also, most of the US contribution is not current taxpayers' money, it is mainly money already spent on the USA's huge defense budget going back 20 years (for weapons and ammunition), just 3-5% of last year's budget. That money would never reach US taxpayers even if it was not given to the Ukraine. They don't give them much actual cash, when they say $40 billion to Ukraine, what they mean is the original value of hardware, shells, missiles, bullets etc, very little of it is cash and that's mostly only for humanitarian aid.

I think the $300 billion in Russian assets frozen in Europe, the USA and Japan, should be used to support Ukraine’s war effort. (More money than that would be due to Ukraine as war reparations from Russia if there was any chance of making Russia pay out in the future.) It could allow the Ukrainians to hold their positions and escalate their attacks to the point where the Russians would be more amenable to a peace deal with fair terms for Ukraine.

144 posted on 04/09/2024 10:43:39 AM PDT by David Hunter
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"You can hardly expect an economy as small as that of the UK to match the USA's contribution."

Why not? They've got enough money to support muzzies and illegals, while taking the natural rights of its citizens away. We saved Europe's ass twice. Third time is not the charm. If they can't defend themselves, then they don't deserve to thrive. We're not the policemen or the bank for the rest of the world, although Europe has been using us as such for decades. As it is, they, like the U.S. are destroying themselves from within. I'm just glad I'm on the tail-end of my life, and hopefully won't be around when this country fully becomes a third-world commie $hithole. But go ahead, support a corrupt nation 5,000 miles away that has made many politicians abroad, and on both sides of the political aisle here, their family members, friends, and big donors, wealthier than they already are. The only winners in proxy wars, are the individuals who have investments in endless wars. American citizens never win.

145 posted on 04/09/2024 11:06:54 AM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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***They’ve got enough money to support muzzies and illegals, while taking the natural rights of its citizens away.***

We just fulfil our duties under international law the same way the US does. Natural rights of UK citizens? Do you mean the right to bear arms or something else?

***We saved Europe’s ass twice.***

The first time was to make sure you got the war loans you made to the UK back.

The second time was after you heard the Nazis were about to declare war on you after their ally, Japan, attacked Pearl Harbor. If it hadn’t been for that attack the USA would have stayed out of the war. Interestingly, the US economy DOUBLED in size during World War 2.

If Russia beats Ukraine then the latter’s Armed Forces and population will be turned against NATO and Putin will be empowered to cause even more mischief. A large war in Europe will damage US interests too and send the price of fuel through the roof.


146 posted on 04/10/2024 12:46:49 PM PDT by David Hunter
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"We just fulfil our duties under international law the same way the US does."

We don't have to suck their sticky wickets.

147 posted on 04/10/2024 3:48:07 PM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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