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To: David Hunter
They were not matching US aid to Ukraine earlier in the war, but they are now.

Only because conservatives in Congress refused to allow $61 billion more to Ukraine.

You don't seem to get, Americans are sick of funding a war that can only result in more dead Ukrainians and more lost territory.

Nothing but death and the destruction of Ukraine is being accomplished.

136 posted on 03/31/2024 12:01:48 PM PDT by Kazan (Megan C. bet me, lost the bet and was humiliated!)
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To: Kazan

***You don’t seem to get, Americans are sick of funding a war that can only result in more dead Ukrainians and more lost territory.***

We in the UK/EU aren’t happy about spending 100s of billions to continue a brutal war either. But we, and the USA, made an agreement with Ukraine to help safeguard their borders in the case of attack by a nuclear power (Russia) after they gave up their nuclear weapons. Now that the thing we promised would not happen - has happened - it would be unethical to just throw them to the wolves.

I think the $300 billion in Russian assets frozen in Europe, the USA and Japan, should be used to support Ukraine’s war effort. (More money than that would be due to Ukraine as war reparations from Russia if there was any chance of making Russia pay out in the future.) It could allow the Ukrainians to escalate their attacks to the point where the Russians would be more amenable to a peace deal with fair terms for Ukraine.

***Nothing but death and the destruction of Ukraine is being accomplished. ...

Because will take as much of it as necessary to end this war and there is NO chance of anything stopping that other than a Ukrainian surrender.

Russia never wanted to do anything more than to liberate the territory it has already annexed***

That’s wishful thinking I’m afraid. Can you see into Putin’s brain? Besides, if that’s the case why did they try to grab the Kyiv region in 2022?

The idea that if we stopped assisting Ukraine that far less Ukrainian lives would be lost is naive. It’s much more likely that Russia would just opt to roll through Ukraine unchecked and loot, rape, torture and murder enmasse with impunity if this happened.

There is also a danger that Poland would see this outcome as a major threat to their national security and send in their Armed Forces from the west to halt Russia inside Ukraine and create a buffer zone between them and Poland. That could lead to escalation into a major war. (The west of Ukraine used to be part of Poland and if Ukraine were to collapse militarily the Poles might want to help the ethnic Polish Ukrainians on the other side of their border.)

In the case of a Ukrainian surrender millions of Ukrainians would head west as refugees which would be a huge problem for the EU. The Poles might decide that securing an area of western Ukraine would also be the best place to keep all those Ukrainian refugees.

We know Putin wouldn’t make any real motions towards genuine peace and non-interference in Ukraine. Hence cutting off Ukraine = forfeiting untold numbers of Ukrainian lives. Let alone making the USA/West look really weak after all their promises to Ukraine, which will likely encourage China to make a move on Taiwan when it is ready to do that.

***There is no question is WAS an illegal coup.***

Viktor Yanukovych was guilty of serious crimes against the Ukrainian people. He would have been removed using the correct legal impeachment process anyway and the Kremlin would still have complained bitterly about that.


140 posted on 04/01/2024 12:31:08 PM PDT by David Hunter
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