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Russia is not an Aggressor, and Ukraine is not a Victim
American Thinker ^ | March 31, 2024 | Alexander G. Tarkovsky

Posted on 03/31/2024 6:13:30 PM PDT by Veto!

It is widely accepted that the Ukrainian crisis erupted into a military conflict on February 24, 2022, with the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Contrary to conventional wisdom, the seeds of the hostilities were planted about thirty years earlier by President Clinton and, later, by George W. Bush, both of whom recklessly pushed for NATO’s eastward expansion.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia; Ukraine; War
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To: kenmcg
Keep chucking that Russian horse spit!

For the sake of the comment I’m about to make, assume that the U.S. is a rational country with a backbone, not the spineless, woke, moral cesspool that it actually is today.

What do you suppose we would do if the CCP decided that it wanted to make Mexico a Chinese protectorate and started arming it? And to make a closer comparison, imagine that northern Mexico was English-speaking and had more historically and culturally in common with the U.S. than with Mexico. Assume further that Mexico, emboldened by China’s backing, started making increasingly belligerent statements toward the U.S., and that China and North Korea started threatening openly to overthrow our government?

Again, assuming a rational and serious U.S., I think we would first warn both China and Mexico, and then when they responded by further ramping up their rhetoric, we would flatten Mexico to eliminate the threat and to send a message to its more powerful enabler in China. And when Mexico and China reacted not by backing off, but by marshaling the global financial system to try to destroy our economy?…Mexico would rightfully get flattened even harder, along with overt and covert actions being taken against China itself.

Sound familiar?

21 posted on 03/31/2024 7:07:47 PM PDT by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Veto!

People make the same analogy about Japan attacking Pearl Harbor.


22 posted on 03/31/2024 7:09:07 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (There are three kinds of rats: Rats, Damned Rats, and DemocRats.)
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To: Veto!
Would the United States accept the presence of Russian military bases on its borders? As a matter of fact, it did not accept them even 1,500 miles from its borders. In 1983, President Reagan ordered the invasion of Grenada due to concerns that the construction of an airport by Cubans could potentially be utilized by Soviet forces.

Money Quote
23 posted on 03/31/2024 7:09:26 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands
Is there anything like the situation that the Minsk agreements were trying to solve between Russia and Finland?
24 posted on 03/31/2024 7:12:03 PM PDT by AndyTheBear (Certified smarter than average for my species)
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To: Veto!

Russia is definitely an aggressor.


25 posted on 03/31/2024 7:19:55 PM PDT by yldstrk ( )
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To: Veto!; yldstrk

Russia is definitely an aggressor.


26 posted on 03/31/2024 7:21:09 PM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: AndyTheBear
Is there anything like the situation that the Minsk agreements were trying to solve between Russia and Finland?

Well, there are no major Russian insurgent groups in Finland yet, if that is what you mean.

27 posted on 03/31/2024 7:23:39 PM PDT by Engraved-on-His-hands
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To: Veto!
So, Ukraine, which has been brutally invaded by Russia, is not a victim, but Russia -- the invader of Ukraine -- is the true victim. And we are told that the US and NATO are the bad guys.

This perverse set of views assumes that Russia and Putin are entitled to dominate and exploit nearby countries as they wish. So Ukraine, too bad that Russia is your neighbor and guaranteed your borders and sovereignty. Russia and Putin will do as they wish and carve off the bits they covet and direct your affairs. And any country that disagrees with Russia is an aggressor.

28 posted on 03/31/2024 7:26:00 PM PDT by Rockingham (`)
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To: jmacusa

You bet, not one more dollar or weapon of ours should ever cross our border.


29 posted on 03/31/2024 7:30:33 PM PDT by Veto! (FJB Sucks Rocks)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Yep, I was waiting for that.


30 posted on 03/31/2024 7:31:52 PM PDT by Veto! (FJB Sucks Rocks)
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To: Veto!
"President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021, and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign, to promise no more NATO enlargement. That was what he sent us. And [that] was a pre-condition for not invade [sic] Ukraine. Of course we didn’t sign that."

Author forgets that Putin had, already, invaded Ukraine 7 years earlier and occupied their territory.

Even Putin's boy Yanukovich, talked about joining NATO.

Putin, himself, asked to join NATO.

31 posted on 03/31/2024 7:33:24 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Welcome to the Matrix . Orwell's "1984" was a warning, not an instruction manual.)
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To: Veto!

Absolutely true. NATO and we have been the aggressors in Ukraine since at least 2014.


32 posted on 03/31/2024 7:37:49 PM PDT by Kazan (Megan C. bet me, lost the bet and was humiliated!)
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To: adorno

Oh right. So you think maybe the US should attack Mexico or Canada?


33 posted on 03/31/2024 7:38:55 PM PDT by Nifster ( I see puppy dogs in the clouds )
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To: Nifster
Oh right. So you think maybe the US should attack Mexico or Canada?

How did you arrive at that?
34 posted on 03/31/2024 7:46:07 PM PDT by adorno (CCH)
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To: Veto!

More Kremlin propaganda.


35 posted on 03/31/2024 7:53:59 PM PDT by devere
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To: canuck_conservative
Support the criminal invaders!

Always start with the 3rd Act, forget Joe Biden’s 2014 illegal deepstate coup (Act 1), ignore the 8 years of ethnic cleansing and 14,000 killed in the Donbas (Act 2).

Be like Vicky

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36 posted on 03/31/2024 7:56:23 PM PDT by CapandBall
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands

If they join NATO, it is possible. I hope Mexico never joins Russia military pact.


37 posted on 03/31/2024 8:02:17 PM PDT by Bobbyvotes (I will be voting for Trump/whoever in November. If he loses in 2024, country is toast.)
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To: Veto!

looking back it becomes obvious that during GHW Bush’s presidency we took a turn toward globalsim and a deliberate effort to weaken the United States. Since then every president but Trump has had basically the same agenda. If a country isn’t globalist primarily over throw them.


38 posted on 03/31/2024 8:04:35 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: JJBookman

The Russians use so many Chechens, Buryats, and those from far flung areas that it is often Ukrainian White Christians verses Mohammedans, Atheists, and Russian convicts.

The 2014 invasion of the Donbas started with just Mafia tactics, agents, and the fake separatist movement. It didn’t work so troops had to be sent in too.


39 posted on 03/31/2024 8:07:16 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (Saludemos la patria orgullosos)
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To: Bobbyvotes
If they join NATO, it is possible.

They already are in NATO.

40 posted on 03/31/2024 8:07:37 PM PDT by Engraved-on-His-hands
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