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The possibility of Ukraine's army collapsing cannot be ruled out a US official has warned, report says
Business Insider ^ | April 13, 2024 | Cameron Manley

Posted on 04/13/2024 9:41:30 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican

The possibility of Ukraine's army collapsing cannot be ruled out, an unnamed US official told Bloomberg.

The report said, citing talks with multiple officials, that Ukraine's position on the battlefield is at its most fragile moment since Russia's full-scale invasion began in February 2022.

Ukraine's war effort has been weakened in recent months by a severe shortage of ammunition, dipping morale among Ukrainian soldiers, and the impasse in Congress over US aid to Ukraine, Bloomberg reported.

One major risk is a collapse of Ukraine's line of defense, which would allow Russia to make a major advance, Bloomberg said, citing an official speaking anonymously.

In recent weeks, building on its capture of Avdiivka, Russia has advanced incrementally in eastern Ukraine, claiming new territory and threatening the town of Chasiv Yar in the Donetsk region.

Ukrainian Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal said Friday that the government would allocate a further Hr 3.88 billion (almost $100 million) to help reinforce fortifications, primarily in the Kharkiv and Sumy regions, which sit near Russia's border.

However, The Wall Street Journal reported in March that although Ukrainian troops were building fortifications in preparation for an oncoming Russian offensive, there are fears that not enough progress is being made.

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


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To: Reverend Wright

Can you imagine being the parent of this freak?

I’m sure they will stand behind this mess publicly, because love let’s us be blind, but deep down they have to be disappointed and disgusted.


101 posted on 04/13/2024 12:51:43 PM PDT by Red6
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To: Red6
Summary, we owe them nothing.

It's more like a handshake deal. We got Ukraine to give up their nuclear weapons. But basically, we told them that we got their back if the Russians invaded them. So here we are in 2024.

If we could go back in time, we would have told Ukraine to keep their nuclear weapons.

102 posted on 04/13/2024 12:52:58 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Drew68

It took decades to build the industrial base that was deployed in WW2.

It would take decades again to build an industrial base in the West with a similar capability.

And the biggest choke point might be the lack of skilled labor.

(Step 1. almost everyone has to go back to high school and do the 1940 curriculum)


103 posted on 04/13/2024 12:58:21 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: tlozo
So we should withdraw from NATO, let Russia take over eastern Europe and let China invade Taiwan and dominate Asia?

We should withdraw from NATO.

Russia has no plans to takeover eastern Europe.

We and NATO have been the aggressors all along, expanding all the way to Russia's border after promising the Russians there would be no expansion of NATO in the early '90s.

Why isn't the most sane leader in Eastern Europe, Viktor Orban, not afraid of Russia?

104 posted on 04/13/2024 1:01:41 PM PDT by Kazan (Megan C. bet me, lost the bet and was humiliated!)
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To: Red6

There was a video of that creature (since deleted) executing a Russian POW.

It cheered the death of Gonzo Lira and had a “death list” of other Ukraine enemies.

So not just a pervert, but a murderer and a gangster.


105 posted on 04/13/2024 1:04:14 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: MinorityRepublican

“The possibility of Ukraine’s army collapsing cannot be ruled out, an unnamed US official told Bloomberg.”

EVERYBODY knows that Bloomberg is owned by Russia because RUSSIA IS EVERYWHERE!!!

So why should we believe anything that is spouted from this Russian mouthpiece?


106 posted on 04/13/2024 1:06:52 PM PDT by BobL (A society built on MERIT cannot survive on DEI (ref. South Africa, and now USA))
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To: Kazan
Russia has no plans to takeover eastern Europe.

Sure, its why Finland dropped 50 years of neutrality with Russia, and joined NATO because Russia has "no plans".

Russia has no plans to invade:

Moldova..

Ok. But not Georgia

Ok but not Ukraine.

Ok, Just Crimea

Ok, just Crimea & part of Donetsk

Ok, Just Crimea & all of Donetsk

Ok, Just Crimea & all of Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk & Zaporizhzhia

Ok, all of Ukraine

107 posted on 04/13/2024 1:08:48 PM PDT by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: MinorityRepublican

Nah-

If we’re going to speculate:

NATO wants to expand just like everyone else does.

Our influence in Europe is largely through security policy and NATO, the idea of the EU expanding without NATO is unappealing to us.

Ukraine “was” an emerging economy and the oligarchs that really run the political show in the West as well as own the MSM wanted Ukraine in NATO and the EU. It’s an insurance policy.

Biden, damaged from the disaster in Afghanistan would have been a hero had this worked out for him. And it was a gamble without a direct cost to him even if war ensues since then it’s “Putin’s fault.”

Finally, even if the gamble fails, it’s still a strategic win for us since we are depleting Russia and have been scrambling to seize what is in the Russian sphere of influence for years: Iraq (2003), Libya (2011), Syria (2014), Venezuela (2020). Literally, every major US oil exec had a jet in Libya before Kadafi’s body even cooled off.

If we’re gonna speculate, we simply gambled and lost, and what we didn’t figure on is how this conflict would galvanize a China-Russia relationship, grow BRICS, upset oil production and prices and drive a wedge between us and Saudi Arabia (one of those democratic, human rights respecting nations we back / sarc)...

We’re not forced to be there because of some self defense argument, nor obligation/promise, we want to be there because it benefited certain political and economic interests.


108 posted on 04/13/2024 1:24:25 PM PDT by Red6
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To: Drew68

How many super carriers does Russia build and deploy? No amount of fetishizing of Putin and his Russia will change the fact that he is weak and his regime in Potemkin. Strong leaders have no need to murder their political opponents. Strong countries have no need to use military action and Stalinist mass murder when economic means should achieve their political goals.


109 posted on 04/13/2024 1:28:20 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: Red6
Finally, even if the gamble fails, it’s still a strategic win for us since we are depleting Russia

Not really. If Russia wins the war, it will show the world that Russia stood up to USA and won.

It will be the end of USA's status as a superpower.

110 posted on 04/13/2024 1:31:28 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: tlozo
Interventionism is helping a country to defend itself? So we should withdraw from NATO, let Russia take over eastern Europe and let China invade Taiwan and dominate Asia? That would create a better world for us?

Did our intervention in Vietnam, Lebanon, Somalia, Iraq and Afghanistan create a better world? Will our pledge to bring Ukraine into NATO, putting US tanks 500 miles from the Kremlin ease world tensions and promote peace?

111 posted on 04/13/2024 1:50:16 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Reverend Wright

No worries,

I’m sure our DOJ is on it. / Sarc

BTW- thx for the info. I knew about her/him but didn’t know how far it went.

After Ukraine suspended her/him did they bring her/him back? How do you refer to this creature? He, she, it, they, them???

https://www.advocate.com/world/trans-ukraine-spokeswoman-suspended

Killing a Russian POW didn’t cause any great concern. But at least threatening the lives of every American that speaks out against this misguided war did: U.S. Sen. J.D. Vance got involved at that point.


112 posted on 04/13/2024 1:55:16 PM PDT by Red6
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To: Reverend Wright
Ternopil River is my guess. It is the shortest most easily defended terrain in Western Ukraine.

There is talk about Russia making access to their friends in Hungary and Serbia to free them up from US/NATO/EU treachery. I think that would require all of Ukraine? That's what I would like to see come about, otherwise they are really screwed.

113 posted on 04/13/2024 1:59:11 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: MinorityRepublican

Good news for the Putin branch of the GOP.


114 posted on 04/13/2024 2:01:07 PM PDT by Mark was here
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To: Mark was here

And FR.


115 posted on 04/13/2024 2:04:02 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

In Feb 2022 Putin knew the US and Europe combined could not produce a significant fraction of Russia’s production of artillery systems, artillery replacement barrels and most importantly artillery ammunition. Putin knew the lead time for the West to match Russia’s artillery production, if such a decision was even taken, was best measured in decades.

Putin knew Ukraine could not ultimately mobilize half as many soldiers.

Putin knew he had the ability to neutralize Ukraine’s air force with long-range missiles. Putin knew the Patriot system can’t defend itself against hypersonic missiles, much less anything else. Putin knew the US and European stocks of SAMS of all types was limited and could be depleted by sending in cheap missiles and drones.

Putin and his military commanders have consistently shaped the battlefield to maximize Ukrainian attrition rather than territorial gains.

Putin knew all these factors would inevitably converge to this point of imminent collapse of Ukrainian military resistance.

Putin won before he started.


116 posted on 04/13/2024 2:07:31 PM PDT by JustaTech (My mind is the weapon. Everything else is tools.)
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To: Red6

The whole thing is so bizarre that I can’t really follow it.

But it appears they are bringing “it” back as a guy for a second season.

https://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-managed-frustrate-russia-propaganda-070000534.html


117 posted on 04/13/2024 2:11:57 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: JustaTech
Putin wanted to seize Kyiv on Day One. Almost worked. Shock and awe. Airborne troops. Helicopters and jets. That didn't work.

So he's doing war of attrition. That was not his original plan.

118 posted on 04/13/2024 2:13:27 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Karl Spooner

They connect to the West/South part of Ukraine (Trans Carpathia) which is already unhappy with the Kiev Regime.

That is mostly a heavily forested area, and easily defended.

Slovakia connects there as well.

So those countries would no longer be landlocked by EU controlled states.


119 posted on 04/13/2024 2:24:44 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: wildcard_redneck
That’s longer than Texas and California have been part of the United States.

Yeah, it looks like NATO INVADED a lot of land Mexico had. More land than Ukraine has! Land than we (unlike Russia in Ukraine) never owned before! Squatters rights I guess.


120 posted on 04/13/2024 2:28:15 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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