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Europe is already planning for what happens if Ukraine loses. It’s ugly
Defense One ^ | 4/12/24 | Patrick Tucker

Posted on 04/15/2024 9:21:45 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal

A Ukrainian loss, which could happen very soon if U.S. weapons don’t arrive, would ramp up Russian efforts to destabilize the governments of NATO countries and increase defense spending across the alliance, among other disastrous effects, Hanno Pevkur, Estonia’s Defense Minister, told reporters Friday.

When U.S. officials like President Joe Biden talk about why Ukraine matters, they rely on broad notions of democracy and the continuation of the international order—without specifically explaining what a Ukraine loss would mean for ordinary Americans. Perhaps because of this, Americans are evenly split on the question of whether the United States is doing too much for Ukraine.

Pevkur said one of the deliverables from last year’s NATO Summit in Vilnius was new battle plans for Eastern European countries should Ukraine fall.

“These plans address these different scenarios,” he said. “Of course, for obvious reasons I cannot be very specific, but I can assure you that these plans are shaped by looking at the possible Russian posture in our neighborhood.”

One of the likely consequences of a loss, he said, is a much larger and more dangerous Russian military.

(Excerpt) Read more at defenseone.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Russia; Ukraine
KEYWORDS: eu; europe; feudalism; killkillkillforpeace; nato; russia; ukraine
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

I note that Russia doesn’t seem able to defeat Ukraine and wonder why they should be expected to successfully take on all of NATO. I believe they’d lose, although it might be a Pyrrhic victory for NATO.


21 posted on 04/15/2024 9:39:14 AM PDT by KrisKrinkle (c)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

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22 posted on 04/15/2024 9:39:46 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
I’m cutting $500M deals right now as we speak growing the economy.

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23 posted on 04/15/2024 9:44:21 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is █████ ██ ████ ████ ████ █ ███████ ████. FJB.)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

With Biden and this crowd in control we are going to lose. It is inevitable! God has turned his back on Biden and has accursed him!


24 posted on 04/15/2024 9:44:43 AM PDT by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues of the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

If they actually have a plan in place, it will be the first time Europe has taken responsibility for their own defense. They usually pretend nothing is going on around them. They need to police their own backyard. They never did it after WWI, and we had to save their asses twice. NATO has been remiss, and has not required member States like Germany to budget the mandatory amount for their own defense. NATO has taken this country’s money for 75 years, and used it for what? To what end? We’ve been carrying the rest of the member nations for decades.


25 posted on 04/15/2024 9:44:54 AM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

I believe NATO countries are being destabilized by immigration, not Russia. They are slitting their own throats.


26 posted on 04/15/2024 9:46:36 AM PDT by alternatives? (`)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Arms dealer shill says what?


27 posted on 04/15/2024 9:47:54 AM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: Williams

Wrong


28 posted on 04/15/2024 9:49:58 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: alternatives?

By that and incompetence in other aspects of governance.


29 posted on 04/15/2024 9:53:40 AM PDT by DarthVader (Not by speeches & majority decisions will the great issues of the day be decided but by Blood & Iron)
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To: GSWarrior

Let’s see.


30 posted on 04/15/2024 9:53:49 AM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Poland is drooling over the prospect of picking met off the soon to be corpse of Ukraine, expect the other EuroFiefdom to want a piece too.


31 posted on 04/15/2024 9:56:13 AM PDT by OldHarbor
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To: Chickensoup

So said Chamberlin and other isolationists.


32 posted on 04/15/2024 9:59:17 AM PDT by Midwesterner53
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

I’m cutting $500M deals right now as we speak growing the economy.

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33 posted on 04/15/2024 9:59:28 AM PDT by OldHarbor
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

What? A continent who’s nations haven’t lived up to their obligations to fund their militaries and burned money on various other things now might get bit in the ass once again?

Oh no... the humanity.

BTW wasn’t it not that long ago that the same folks were talking about how Putin was going to be taken out by the inside and dying of some mysterious illness?


34 posted on 04/15/2024 10:00:11 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

“increase defense spending across the alliance, among other disastrous effects”

It’s about time you deadbeats.


35 posted on 04/15/2024 10:06:49 AM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Thanks to you war pigs

The real war pigs in this world speak Russian. Deal with it.

36 posted on 04/15/2024 10:08:40 AM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Neocons and Deep State are using Domino Theory Part 2. Fall of Ukraine means fall of Poland, Finland, and Sweden.


37 posted on 04/15/2024 10:11:20 AM PDT by nwrep
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To: Chad C. Mulligan
The real war pigs in this world speak Russian. Deal with it.

The CIA has admitted the engineered the 2014 Ukraine regime change and have had US troops on Russia's border for ten years.

Deal with it.

38 posted on 04/15/2024 10:15:56 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is █████ ██ ████ ████ ████ █ ███████ ████. FJB.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

More money and weapons won’t save YouCrayne.


39 posted on 04/15/2024 10:28:13 AM PDT by tennmountainman ( (“Less propaganda would be appreciated.” JimRob 12-2-2023 DITTO)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
Putin “We are putting the band back together” LOL!!
40 posted on 04/15/2024 10:36:58 AM PDT by MotorCityBuck (Keep the change, you are filthy animal! )
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