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Trump immunity case updates: Justice says immunity may 'embolden' criminal presidents
ABC News ^ | Apr 25, 2024 | Alexandra Hutzler,Meredith Deliso,Alexander Mallin, andMike Levine

Posted on 04/25/2024 10:06:27 AM PDT by where's_the_Outrage?

The U.S. Supreme Court is hearing arguments Thursday on whether former President Donald Trump can be criminally prosecuted over his efforts to overturn his 2020 election loss.

The justices have taken up the monumental question of if, and if so to what extent, former presidents enjoy immunity for conduct alleged to involve official acts during their time in office.

The high court's decision will determine if Trump stands trial before the November election on four charges brought by special counsel Jack Smith, including conspiracy to defraud the United States.

Throughout arguments, multiple of the justices made clear they were looking past the immediate example of Trump and what their decision will mean for the future of the presidency.


"This case has huge implications for the presidency, for the future of the presidency and for the future of the country, in my view," said Justice Brett Kavanaugh.

"Whatever we decide is going to apply to all future presidents," said Justice Samuel Alito......

Justice Samuel Alito addressed the "layers of protection" against bad faith prosecutions raised by the DOJ......

In a recurring point of interest for the court as it questioned the government, Justice Brett Kavanaugh raised the question of the "risk" of a "creative prosecutor" using "vague" criminal statutes -- including obstruction and conspiracy, which Trump faces -- against any president if they can't claim immunity......

Asked by Justice Clarence Thomas why previous presidents were not prosecuted for controversial actions, prosecutor Michael Dreeben said "this is a central question."

"The reason why there have not been prior criminal prosecutions is that there were not crimes," he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: alexandermallin; alexandrahutzler; doj; immunity; meredithdeliso; mikelevine; presidentialimmunity; scotus
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To: adorno

I rip tags off mattresses.


41 posted on 04/25/2024 11:55:54 AM PDT by Fledermaus (Is it me, or all of a sudden have the buried trolls come out on FR like cicadas? It's all noise.)
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To: butterdezillion

“Isn’t it strange that Congress-critters like Adam Schiff and Liz Cheney can lie their guts out as long as they do it under the guise of their duties as Representatives? They have blanket immunity for all the crimes they are currently committing.”

Great point.


42 posted on 04/25/2024 11:58:49 AM PDT by Fledermaus (Is it me, or all of a sudden have the buried trolls come out on FR like cicadas? It's all noise.)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

What, then, did Gerald Ford pardon Nixon for?


43 posted on 04/25/2024 12:00:43 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (Every Goliath has his David. Child in need of a CGM system. https://gofund.me/6452dbf1. )
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To: Freest Republican
They unexpectedly overturned Roe.

Actually they punted it back to states not really the same thing is it? They wrongly ruled with Roe was that babies in the womb were not humans and had no constitutional right to life, all they did in overturning Roe was say that states should now decide if babies were human, sort of like Pilate washing his hands in public. All they are saying is we aren't murdering babies the states are and we won't stop them from doing it.

I said the morning that the Roe decision came down that old people were next and we saw some of that during the opening of Covid fraudemic didn't we.

44 posted on 04/25/2024 12:06:16 PM PDT by itsahoot (Many Republicans are secretly Democrats, no Democrats are secretly Republicans. Dan Bongino.)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson said she was worried that granting Trump’s position for presidential immunity would “embolden” a president to act criminally “with abandon.”

It would then be up to congress to impeach.


45 posted on 04/25/2024 12:30:35 PM PDT by Jonny7797
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

Might as well make it complete immunity. Democrats already have effective immunity. So giving all presidents complete immunity would even things up.


46 posted on 04/25/2024 12:32:48 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Fledermaus
I rip tags off mattresses.

Whatever makes you happy. ;)
47 posted on 04/25/2024 12:39:12 PM PDT by adorno (CCH)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
"The reason why there have not been prior criminal prosecutions is that there were not crimes," he said.

And there are STILL no crimes, Michael Dreeben, you lying sack of rotting dogsqueeze.

48 posted on 04/25/2024 12:39:29 PM PDT by kiryandil (what Ukrainian electrical grid doink?)
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To: Fido969
Perjuring yourself in the face of a federal judge is not a crime if you're a Democrat.

Ask federal judge Susan Webber Wright.

49 posted on 04/25/2024 12:46:16 PM PDT by kiryandil (what Ukrainian electrical grid doink?)
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To: Eagles6

all commie bums - ABC News


50 posted on 04/25/2024 12:50:56 PM PDT by kiryandil (what Ukrainian electrical grid doink?)
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To: Jonny7797
Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson said she was worried that granting Trump’s position for presidential immunity would “embolden” a president to act criminally “with abandon.”

I thought Air Ketanji was still trying to pass the quiz about what a woman is.

DEI = Didn't Earn IT

51 posted on 04/25/2024 12:52:59 PM PDT by kiryandil (what Ukrainian electrical grid doink?)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

This is all payback for the clintoons and for not worship the halfrican.


52 posted on 04/25/2024 12:57:40 PM PDT by Leep (Leftardism strikes 1 in 5.)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

This is all payback for the what what the clintoons were put throgh and for not worshiping the halfrican.


53 posted on 04/25/2024 12:59:23 PM PDT by Leep (Leftardism strikes 1 in 5.)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

Thank you. She was my guess as the justice most likely one to make such a statement.


54 posted on 04/25/2024 1:21:29 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: kiryandil

Yep.


55 posted on 04/25/2024 1:30:38 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Welcome to the Matrix . Orwell's "1984" was a warning, not an instruction manual.)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

Would have liked to see a follow up question:

How long before we have to learn to speak Chinese?.


56 posted on 04/25/2024 2:06:10 PM PDT by Vaduz
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

No immunity for a president - no immunity for judge, including Supreme Court judges.


57 posted on 04/25/2024 2:56:35 PM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: cquiggy

Our current president with his taking of bribes from our enemies. Will he be prosecuted. How about O? I thought it was illegal to spy on your political opponents and use your power to have the FBI spy on citizens. Illegal


58 posted on 04/25/2024 3:03:49 PM PDT by dandiegirl (BOBBY m)
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To: dandiegirl

Isa the justice referring to clinton, obama and biden...”criminal presidents”?


59 posted on 04/25/2024 3:22:47 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp??)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
I agree with Mark Levin. SCOTUS has no business intervening in the executive branch. The constitution allows for the impeachment of presidents who commit high crimes and misdemeanors.SCOTUS has no business deciding what immunity there is The immunity is unconditional under the Article 2 presidential powers, when a president actrs criminally, Congress can impeach a president. That's the way the Constitution is set up.SCOTUS HAS NO ROLE.

NO way that SCOTUS should even bother with the nuances on immunity the Court discussed. While POTUS is in office he has blanket immunity.PERIOD.

Or else we become a third word tin pot dictatorship.

60 posted on 04/25/2024 7:41:53 PM PDT by Candor7 (Trump Trolls,He trolls for thee!),<img src="" width=500</img><a href="">tag</a>)
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