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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin; dragnet2
In situations like this where you have a known violent felon there is not much you can control. You probably won't know where they are, and if you get word they are at a known residence you have to move quickly. This operation was done at 1:30pm, which is odd. Usually raids are done early in the morning just before sunrise when cops can be relatively sure the suspect is either tired or asleep. The timing of this raid may indicate they got word the suspect was at the house and had to move quicky.

Generally, cops don't want to wait until the suspect is out of the house because they lose almost all control. You're introducing innocent bystanders into the equation. You have much less control over the background if rounds are fired. Would it be great if every suspect walked alone in an empty parking lot and you could just walk up and take him down? Sure, that would be great, but it rarely happens. Suspects go to schools and grocery stores and gas stations and bars and they mix with people who may also be carrying guns. Long story short, in operations like this, cops put themselves at a greater risk in favor of diminishing the risk to other people. That's the way it should be, IMHO.

If you approach a suspect at their house, you are most likely already familiar with the layout of the house, all the points of ingress/egress, their family members, their accomplices, and possible weapons in the house. You can cover the back and the sides of the dwelling and have ambulances standing by in the vicinity if needed. If you try to apprehend them outside the house, you lose those capabilities.

Were mistakes made in this instance? Yes. But the alternative could have been worse.

62 posted on 04/29/2024 8:06:21 PM PDT by thefactor
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To: thefactor

Who was it from inside the house that started firing after the perp was dead on the lawn. That is why they went in with the machinery.


64 posted on 04/29/2024 8:10:43 PM PDT by eastforker (All in, I'm all Trump,what you got!)
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To: thefactor
In situations like this where you have a known violent felon there is not much you can control.

Not just a violent felon but one wanted on weapons related charges.

Again, why go after the violent guy with the guns within a structure/home where the suspect very well could have access to lots of weapons, ammo, cover etc etc??

Did you note this operation that you apparently agree with has left dead cops all over the place?

65 posted on 04/29/2024 8:11:28 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: thefactor

Also the perp was quite efficient to down 3 marshalls by himself, most hood rats are not that great a shot.


66 posted on 04/29/2024 8:13:02 PM PDT by eastforker (All in, I'm all Trump,what you got!)
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To: thefactor

I’m glad you mentioned them probably knowing the layout. I know police officers would sometimes come to the building department and ask to see plans.

Your summary was excellent. I can sure understand the logic of eliminating as many unknowns as possible before a warrant is served or an arrest made. A big part of that would be limiting the number of persons who could get injured or even killed if the person being arrested or served becomes violent. That is just common sense.


91 posted on 04/29/2024 11:21:01 PM PDT by lastchance (Cognovit Dominus qui sunt eius.)
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To: thefactor

[Generally, cops don’t want to wait until the suspect is out of the house because they lose almost all control. You’re introducing innocent bystanders into the equation. You have much less control over the background if rounds are fired. Would it be great if every suspect walked alone in an empty parking lot and you could just walk up and take him down? Sure, that would be great, but it rarely happens. Suspects go to schools and grocery stores and gas stations and bars and they mix with people who may also be carrying guns. Long story short, in operations like this, cops put themselves at a greater risk in favor of diminishing the risk to other people. That’s the way it should be, IMHO.]


Commercial areas tend to have a lot more people around to soak up stray bullets than residential areas. That’s why commercial rents are higher than their residential counterparts - all these people coming and going. It’s presumably why police raids tend to occur in residential areas - fewer payouts to victims who get caught in the crossfire because there fewer civilians around, period.


92 posted on 04/29/2024 11:31:36 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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To: thefactor
Generally, cops don't want to wait until the suspect is out of the house because they lose almost all control.

Thank you for taking the time to give an explanation and also provide your background. I learn more on Free Republic than anywhere else.

101 posted on 04/30/2024 4:24:23 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: thefactor

Can’t imagine how they got these 4 trained officers. Maybe the trap was to shoot after the primary target went down and was not a threat? Seems like the women or the 17 year old might were support.


116 posted on 04/30/2024 5:32:50 PM PDT by alrea
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