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The intermittency of wind and solar power could be worse than originally thought, experts say
Just the News ^ | May 2, 2024 | Kevin Killough

Posted on 05/03/2024 7:37:50 AM PDT by george76

"Wind Droughts": A 15-state region produced less than 10% of its potential 22 gigawatt wind output over an 82-hour period. For 42 hours straight within that period, the wind output was only 1.5% of the total..

Last month, multiple news outlets reported on the record-smashing year the wind industry had in 2023. The Global Wind Energy Council released its latest report showing the world installed 117 gigawatts of capacity. The Associated Press called 2023 a “record year for wind installations,” and Reuters noted that the U.S. was among the top five markets for wind installations.

The U.S. Energy Information Administration released a report this week showing that installing more wind farms doesn’t necessarily mean generating more electricity. The U.S. tripled its wind energy capacity, according to the report, from 47 gigawatts in 2010 to 147.5 gigawatts at the end of 2023. While that may sound impressive, generation from all those wind farms dropped 2.1% over 2022.

Much of that drop was during the first six months of 2023, when wind generation fell by 14% compared to the same period in 2022.

The capacity factor for the nation’s wind energy fleet, the EIA explained in its report, dropped to an eight-year low of 33.5%. This is the ratio of the amount of power produced compared to the total it could have produced if it were running continuously.

Fairly common

Renewable energy has an intermittency problem, which is why even though it's cheap while it’s producing electricity, it’s more expensive than any other form of energy due to all the costs associated with making it reliable. These extra costs include the costs of battery facilities, baseload backup generators, transmission lines and over building of capacity.

However, as the drop in wind generation in 2023 shows, even with wind farms spread out across the U.S., it’s still possible that the wind won’t be there to turn the turbines. These wind lulls are called wind droughts.

“Wind droughts can happen at any time and are fairly common. As regions of the country become more reliant upon wind turbines producing electricity during periods of high demand, they become more prone to electricity shortages during these wind droughts,” energy experts Isaac Orr and Mitch Rolling, write in an article on their “Energy Bad Boys” Substack.

Orr and Rolling, who are policy fellows for the Center of the American Experiment, produced a report in 2022 showing how a 15-state region experienced a "wind drought" lasting more than three days. Science Magazine describes wind droughts as "prolonged periods of low wind speeds," which "pose challenges for electricity systems largely reliant on wind generation."

The Midcontinent Independent System Operator, an organization tasked with managing the flow of high-voltage electricity across that region, produced less than 10% of its potential 22 gigawatt wind output over an 82-hour period. For 42 hours straight within that period, the wind output was only 1.5% of the total. Fortunately, coal and natural gas were available to meet demand.

Energy droughts

A new study by researchers at the Pacific Northwest National Laboratory (PNNL) found that some parts of the country experience energy droughts lasting a week. Energy droughts are when both wind and solar energy fail as a result of windless, cloudy days.

The researchers found that energy droughts can occur in any season across the lower 48 states, and they vary widely in frequency and duration. California, for example, experienced energy droughts lasting several days, whereas Texas experienced frequent energy droughts lasting a few hours. The study also discovered that these energy droughts happen at the worst times.

“We found that the severity of the droughts that happened during those periods of high load is higher than the severity on average during periods that are not during high load,” Dr. Cameron Bracken, lead author of the study and Earth scientist at PNNL, told Just The News.

The study standardized its findings so that other researchers could use the same tools to and make accurate comparisons across different studies. The PNNL researchers hope their study will provide insight into designing and managing energy storage.

The study wasn’t able to look at what was happening with other energy sources — hydroelectric, coal, gas and nuclear facilities — during these drought events, Bracken said.

“That information is really difficult to come by. It's usually proprietary,” Bracken said. That means, they can’t really determine during any particular drought event they identified what the exact shortfall that occurred on the grid was.

Orr and Rollin, in their analysis of the 2022 MISO drought event, were looking at the impact to grid reliability in Minnesota as a result of decreasing dispatchable generation from coal.

“The problem isn’t that the wind stops blowing sometimes; the issue is that state carbon-free electricity mandates and federal regulations are pushing reliable, dispatchable power plants into retirement,” the duo wrote.

That rate of retirement is likely to increase as a result of the EPA’s new power plant rules released late last month, which require expensive carbon-capture technologies in new gas plants and existing coal plants. The added costs, experts say, may make retirement a more attractive option for the plant owners.

Should that happen, the best hope for maintaining stability as the grid relies more and more on intermittent wind and solar will be battery facilities.

Dr. Ariel Cohen, senior fellow at The Atlantic Council, in testimony he submitted for a Senate Budget Committee hearing Wednesday, explained that storage costs of lithium-ion batteries amount to $338 per kilowatt hour for a battery with a 10-hour storage duration. For comparison, the average retail price of electricity in the U.S. is 12.36 cents per kilowatt hour. A single day of storage in the U.S., according to Cohen, would cost approximately $3.7 trillion per day.

If energy droughts hit American consumers when they need power the most while the grid depends on increasing amounts of batteries to satisfy demand, electricity is going to get a lot more expensive.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: agw; electricity; energy; intermittency; power; solar; solarpower; wind; windenergy; windfarms; windpower
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1 posted on 05/03/2024 7:37:50 AM PDT by george76
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In principle, I have no problem with solar or wind power to try and make them work, so they have a place in energy generation. Having said that, I want honesty so they can be placed where they work and not where they don’t work.


2 posted on 05/03/2024 7:41:35 AM PDT by Jonty30 (He hunted a mammoth for me, just because I said I was hungry. He is such a good friend. )
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3 posted on 05/03/2024 7:43:08 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: george76

The RATs are going to keep screwing around with our power plants and they’ll have to start putting up their wind farms on Capitol Hill so they can catch the breeze coming from the wind bags in Congress.


4 posted on 05/03/2024 7:43:49 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Weird how the invading hordes of illegal foreign deadbeats didn't start until FJB took the throne.)
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To: george76

It doesn’t take genius to figure out that the wind doesn’t always blow and the sun doesn’ alway shine. But coal, wood and natural gas always burn.


5 posted on 05/03/2024 7:44:28 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: george76

Originally thought by whom?


6 posted on 05/03/2024 7:45:27 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: DouglasKC

And what about nuclear?

I know the Liberals are against nuclear power. But nuclear produces zero of the dreaded greenhouse gases. So based on the liberals own criteria, of avoiding emissions , nuclear should be something that they would approve of


7 posted on 05/03/2024 7:46:31 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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Liberals are deliberately clueless. They will probably blame the intermittent wind problem on Climate Change. So let’s pour even more billions of dollars into fighting that nonexistent problem.


8 posted on 05/03/2024 7:46:44 AM PDT by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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"Orr and Rolling, who are policy fellows for the Center of the American Experiment..."

Samuel L. Jackson says "Check out the big brains on those guys!" *

* G-rated version

9 posted on 05/03/2024 7:54:12 AM PDT by OKSooner ("You won't like what comes after America." - Leonard Cohen.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
I know the Liberals are against nuclear power. But nuclear produces zero of the dreaded greenhouse gases. So based on the liberals own criteria, of avoiding emissions , nuclear should be something that they would approve of

I think they're coming around on that. Oliver Stone recently put out a documentary called "Nuclear Now". I didn't see any overt liberal reason....except to fight Climate change. But mostly it seemed to be a realization that the antinuclearpower movemen was complete scam.

10 posted on 05/03/2024 8:21:10 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: george76

Butt, butt, butt.........


11 posted on 05/03/2024 8:47:14 AM PDT by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this💩? 🚫💉! 🇮🇱👍!)
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To: george76

Germany puts out very complete data in graphs showing its daily (IIRC maybe even hourly) energy consumption by type. I followed it a few winters ago. Not pretty.


12 posted on 05/03/2024 8:54:19 AM PDT by Paul R. (Bin Laden wanted Obama killed so the incompetent VP, Biden, would become President!)
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To: Jonty30

“ In principle, I have no problem with solar or wind power to try and make them work, so they have a place in energy generation. Having said that, I want honesty so they can be placed where they work and not where they don’t work.”
The dirty little secret is that green energy is a huge scam. I have seen solar used effectively in places where it’s economically infeasible to use commercial power. One very effective use of solar is to power cathodic protection rectifiers on cross country pipelines.
Most of the large solar arrays and wind farms are being subsidized by the government. Once the subsidies end, there will be a significant jump in electricity prices.


13 posted on 05/03/2024 9:03:26 AM PDT by wjcsux (On 3/14/1883 Karl Marx gave humanity his best gift, he died. )
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Solar only seems to work on rooftops, very localized, and wind power seems useful to me as a means to charge an electric generator and not as a means of power in itself.

I read about a company that uses solar power to pump liquid up a hill. Then, at night, the liquid falls down the hill to generate electricity.

I think wind power is only useful as a passive generator of power for electric generators. Put a couple on the farm and use them once a month or so. Save yourself a months worth of electricity over the year.


14 posted on 05/03/2024 9:19:43 AM PDT by Jonty30 (He hunted a mammoth for me, just because I said I was hungry. He is such a good friend. )
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Good post


15 posted on 05/03/2024 9:20:45 AM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (retired aerospace engineer and CSP who also taught)
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To: george76

It’s not just the low wind extreme that’s worthless. Loads of wind energy over the plains with all those tornadoes last weekend. But the windmills can’t collect any of that!


16 posted on 05/03/2024 9:22:53 AM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (Biden/Harris events are called dodo ops)
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There is a small city beside my city named Spruce Grove.
I can only guess that the topography around the city forms a funnel into the city, because it could be blowing 1 mph to the east of the city but it blows through the city at 50 mph. It seems a good candidate to put up a few windmills around town.


17 posted on 05/03/2024 9:31:52 AM PDT by Jonty30 (He hunted a mammoth for me, just because I said I was hungry. He is such a good friend. )
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To: wjcsux

“Once the subsidies end, there will be a significant jump in electricity prices.”

But our taxes will be lowered, correct?


18 posted on 05/03/2024 9:41:49 AM PDT by cymbeline (we saw men break out of a concentration camp.”)
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To: george76

Power should come from a mixture of the most efficient methods throughout the day. This could include solar, battery, traditional power plants, and I guess, some wind.

Anyone thinking that one single source is going to get the job done doesn’t understand how much demand fluctuates during a day.


19 posted on 05/03/2024 10:03:17 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Don’t vote for anyone over 70 years old. Get rid of the geriatric politicians.)
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To: george76

X gigawatts of capacity is a theoretical number good if the wind blows consistently always and no clouds ever cover the sun. Reality is no consistency and actuality is much less than capacity. Intermittency is the rule and toxic pollution is immense when windmills collapse and solar cells wear out. But at least a lot of those pesky whales and raptors get exterminated.


20 posted on 05/03/2024 10:33:22 AM PDT by arthurus ( covfefe Bk)
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