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The Hur Memo and the Tragedy of Joe Biden
The American Conservative ^ | 5/01/24 | Philip Jeffery

Posted on 05/05/2024 5:34:41 PM PDT by Libloather

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But that isn’t what made the Hur report so poignant, so interesting—so funny. It’s something neither party nor much of the news coverage mentioned at all; the biggest missing detail from the stories elected officials told about the Hur report isn’t any legal technicality in the decision not to prosecute Biden for holding on to classified documents. It’s what Biden held on to, and why.

The centerpiece of the investigation is a lengthy memo Biden wrote in 2009 to then-president Barack Obama, which investigators found—along with classified materials used to draft it—tucked in a cardboard box in Biden’s garage in Delaware last year. It was an artifact from what Biden at one time believed (and perhaps, Hur surmised, still believes) to be the most important moment of his political career.

In fall 2009, less than a year into Obama’s presidency, the cabinet had to decide just how far it was willing to depart from its predecessor’s (by then) highly unpopular foreign policy. At issue was “the surge”: a request for 40,000 additional troops on the ground in Afghanistan. The defense establishment was, of course, in favor, assuring the president that where naked military force had failed, military force under the guise of “counterinsurgency/COIN” and “nation-building” would succeed. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was in favor, as were Defense Secretary Robert Gates, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Michael Mullen, and just about everyone else. The only person who dissented, who made it a discussion at all, the person everyone else rolled their eyes at and dismissed as a crank, was the vice president.

He was, by their standards, a doe-eyed peacenik; he still supported increasing troop levels, but only by half the number the Pentagon wanted. He called the military lobbying for the surge “f****** outrageous.”

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To: marktwain

Biden has never been correct, any time in his life, except for the momentary pause in his stupidity right after Hamas hit Israel- but I doubt he was the one who made that decision, he is too far gone and his advisors are struggling with what to do.
Biden has been a soviet-loving saboteur against this country, like John Kerry, since the beginning.


21 posted on 05/05/2024 7:32:43 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: piasa; All

Biden was never smart enough to be a Sovie-loving saboteur.
He’s been a low class political grifter from day one. An enabler for his grifting family and the crooked Delaware banks.


22 posted on 05/05/2024 7:39:54 PM PDT by Reily (!!)
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To: Libloather

Very interesting article, but the author assumes that history somehow proved Biden right in arguing against a robust surge.

Whether the full surge Biden opposed would have led to a satisfactory outcome will never be known. The force size being requested was the product of study of what it would take to accomplish the original strategy.

Due to Joe Biden, Obama arbitrarily cut the force level in half. That reduced level was not tied to a carefully analyzed plan — Obama just dictated a strategy knowing it was under-resourced, and almost sure to fail. This gave the advocates of a big surge every excuse to fail; it wasn’t what they had backed so they didn’t own it. Obama certainly wasn’t going to take responsibility.

Whatever he says now, you can bet that Biden kept the papers on this at the time as material for blaming Obama. That is what was “historical”. The decision was Obama’s, and he blew it. The rational choice was either go with the whole plan or abort. Instead Obama went with “heads the Taliban wins, tails we lose”. Biden is screwed because Obama worshippers will never allow fault to settle on Barry.


23 posted on 05/05/2024 7:46:51 PM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: Libloather

Interesting


24 posted on 05/05/2024 7:48:29 PM PDT by Romans Nine
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To: Reverend Wright

They didn’t hate us.
We had to betray them to get them to hate us.
We betrayed the Afghans early on by abandoning the moderate Massoud in favor of the gangster Hekmatyar, and that was because even though we knew Hekmatyar was a thug, he was favored by Pakistan, and Clinton wanted to keep on Pakistan’s good side in the hope the Paks wouldn’t go nuclear on his watch. The Paks opposed the more civilized Massoud because Massoud was an Afghan nationalist, and had good relations with India. Pakistan has hopes of taking over Afghanistan as well as the Kashmir one day.

As for the “antiwar” crowd, it betrays everyone, eventually, because it isn’t actually pacifist- it is all for war, conquest and even colonialism just so long as Russians are doing it. And that is because most of the crowd is old communists who think if they just keep trying they can make it work.


25 posted on 05/05/2024 7:48:51 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Reverend Wright

That picture says everything doesn’t it?


26 posted on 05/05/2024 8:09:40 PM PDT by vpintheak (Sometimes you’re the windshield, sometimes you’re the bug. )
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To: All

I find the part of this story about the ‘Afghanistan Memos’ very hard to believe. Biden was NEVER that thoughtful nor did he care about America enough to press the point with his boss.


27 posted on 05/05/2024 8:37:07 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: vpintheak

Yeah. And it is not just the USA.

Up here we just had the Mulroney funeral. And all the politicians back in the day who supposedly hated this guy over the GST, Free Trade NAFTA, etc... they were all there saying what a Great Canadian he was on Apartheid and Global Warming (of course they all support NAFTA and the GST now...)

It’s all fake, and we are just the audience at the WWE.

(the exceptions are people like Trump, Berlusconi ... where they try to put them in prison until they day they die)


28 posted on 05/05/2024 9:27:28 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Reverend Wright

Uniparty tools.


29 posted on 05/05/2024 9:46:36 PM PDT by vpintheak (Sometimes you’re the windshield, sometimes you’re the bug. )
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To: Libloather

Did you ever hear the tragedy of Joe Biden the Incompetent?

Regards,

30 posted on 05/06/2024 1:11:39 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Reily
Biden was never smart enough to be a Sovie-loving saboteur. He’s been a low class political grifter from day one. An enabler for his grifting family and the crooked Delaware banks.

You are correct. Biden has always been whatever the party required. He always supported whatever he was told to support, regardless of his past statements/votes.

Biden is a loyal party member in good standing and the Politburo is happy to have his shell out front. After all, they pull the strings of whomever is installed anyway.

31 posted on 05/06/2024 5:12:46 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (This is the end of the Republic....because we could not keep it.)
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To: LegendHasIt

Biden opposed the strike on Osama Bin Laden as well.

The Afghanistan withdrawal was screwed up because Biden wanted to get out fast and damn the consequences.

Biden did not want to escalate Afghanistan, but he has no other plan than to leave it to the biggest wolves....which is what he ended up doing anyway.


32 posted on 05/06/2024 5:27:51 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (This is the end of the Republic....because we could not keep it.)
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To: Libloather

Still no reconciliation of the Hur report with Biden’s ability to remain as president. If this were dont to Trump, it would be wall to wall coverage day and night...committee hearings, and then they’d get rid of Trump under the 25th amendment. Since Joe is the leader of the communist democrats, it’s move along, nothing to see here.


33 posted on 05/06/2024 7:17:18 AM PDT by Jonny7797
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To: Reverend Wright

I’m sure WW2 proves that postulate incorrect, but I get your point.


34 posted on 05/06/2024 7:30:08 AM PDT by VTenigma (Conspiracy theory is the new "spoiler alert")
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To: VTenigma
Maybe a fully staffed surge would have been better if those troops would have been sent sent to kill bad guys and break their stuff, but as usual they half assed it for the wrong reasons so we’ll never know.

No, because the country wanted us and the government we put in place out. Many of them were just scared of the Taliban, who could be more ruthless than our side, but the small urban population that was on our side was outnumbered by the rest of the country.

35 posted on 05/06/2024 7:43:08 AM PDT by x
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To: x

I totally agree, but we should have never been there in the first place. I said so at the time. Hit Abu Graib and GTFO. Check my posts, it’s clear I’ve been consistent. We should not have invaded Iraq or passed the Patriot Act. I was one of the few lone voices in the wilderness and history has proven me right. I’ve taken a lot of heat for my positions but I’m patient and my reward is watch crow be eaten.


36 posted on 05/06/2024 7:52:55 AM PDT by VTenigma (Conspiracy theory is the new "spoiler alert")
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To: Erik Latranyi

That works as long as he and his family get significant time at the taxpayer trough!


37 posted on 05/06/2024 10:47:19 AM PDT by Reily (!!)
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