Posted on 05/08/2024 6:22:06 AM PDT by McGruff
Russia said on Wednesday that sending NATO troops into Ukraine would potentially be extremely dangerous, and Moscow was closely watching a Ukrainian petition that called for such an intervention.
The petition, posted on the Ukrainian president's website, says Ukraine should ask the United States, Britain and other countries to send troops to help it repel Russia's invasion.
"We have repeatedly said that direct intervention on the ground in this conflict by the military of NATO countries potentially carries enormous danger, so we consider this an extremely challenging provocation, nothing less, and, of course, we are watching this very carefully."
(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...
I do not trust any news from RT. A lot of false news from both Russia and Ukraine.
“Almost 35,000 German soldiers are ready to provide operational support to our allies in case of an emergency,” Scholz said.
There’s a significant distinction between deploying and being prepared to deploy. The U.S. military consistently maintains forces that are ready for deployment. It’s important that Germany also has troops in a state of readiness for deployment. Note: In case of an emergency.
France is weak.
Yes they have some nuke subs.
If Russia launched hypersonic nukes, weak France would be destroyed before their subs received notification.
In all likelihood, it would fall on one of the 235 official vacation days in France and the subs would be off duty anyway..l
Russia didn’t attack any NATO country.
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Russia committed a major violation though... :
It violated its own signature of the Budapest Memorandum (1994) which stated that Russia had to... :
1.
...Respect the signatory’s independence and sovereignty in the existing borders (in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act).
2.
...Refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, and undertake that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine.
3.
...Refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine, the Republic of Belarus and Kazakhstan of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.
4.
...Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to the signatory if they “should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used”.
5.
...Not to use nuclear weapons against any non - nuclear-weapon state party 9Ukraine) to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons.
6.
...Consult with one another if questions arise regarding those commitments.
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Under the terms of the memorandum, Ukraine agreed to relinquish its nuclear arsenal – the world’s third-largest, inherited from the collapsed Soviet Union – and transfer all nuclear warheads to Russia for decommissioning. This enabled Ukraine to join the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT) as a non-nuclear state.
In exchange for giving up its nuclear arsenal, Ukraine got politically binding security assurances to respect its independence and sovereignty by Russia, USA, France, UK which guaranteed its existing borders.
Send 50,000 French Surrender Monkeys First.
Russia will use battlefield nukes on NATO forces in Ukraine.
“Germany announced on the 7th it will send 35,000 troops to ukraine.”
Do you have a citation for that?
—>> Send 50,000 French Surrender Monkeys First.
Some are eating cheese there right now, preparing to drop their rifles.
Best I could find - and I think this is what I read…
https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4236427/posts?page=20#20
The Budapest Memorandum has no more weight than the toilet paper I flushed this morning.
And only a dunce could think otherwise.
That’s between Russia and Ukraine. Ukraine violated the Minsk accords. Finally, Ukrainian militarized its border with nuclear capable missiles launchers and bio-weapon labs. It’s none of our business. Russia didn’t attack NATO.
Exactly.
The Russian federation (of serfs) will collapse. NATO will be in the Urals by Christmas.
“””””Germany announced on the 7th it will send 35,000 troops to ukraine.”””””
You made that up out of thin air.
What your link says is normal preparedness.
“Germany is ready to rapidly deploy its forces to support allies with 35,000 prepared military personnel, states German Chancellor Olaf Scholz.
(snip)
the Bundeswehr confirms its commitment to defending Northeastern and Central Europe.
“Almost 35,000 German soldiers are ready to provide operational support to our allies in case of an emergency,” Scholz said.”
Seems clear enough. Have there been any new treaties, memorandums, agreements, etc. since 1994 that have changed or altered or even nullified the Budapest Memorandum?
Ukraine seems to be a sort of history test on many levels to see how much we remember or, like with 9/11, have we forgotten those bloody lessons so soon after learning them.
For many, recent, living history is very clear about the consequences of appeasing territorial aggression by sacrificing the country in dispute to the aggressor nation in order to end the conflict and have “peace” in our times once again.
This time in Ukraine it appears like we will try a different approach, first by helping with weapons and ammunition and then who knows … we’ll have to see how it goes.
The ones stepping up to help Ukraine now seem to have better memories of past lessons than this generation’s appeasers.
We talk a big game, but after we take casualties, our dick and balls shrivel up and we tend to disappear.
There is a huge gap between how we see ourselves, the Hollywood portrayal, and who we really are.
We get whacked and leave: https://history-maps.com/story/Vietnam-War/event/US-Withdrawal
We get whacked and leave: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombings
We get whacked and leave: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mogadishu_%281993%29
We get whacked and leave: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_of_United_States_troops_from_Iraq_(2007%E2%80%932011)
We get whacked and leave: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%932021_U.S._troop_withdrawal_from_Afghanistan
You're making a HUGE assumption in thinking that the public in the West and the political ruling class would stick the course. They will not.
***WE ONLY HAVE COURAGE IN UKRAINE BECAUSE IT'S NOT OUR PEOPLE BLEEDING.***
We are also great at playing Nintendo and waging high tech cyber, air, missile strikes, intel service (clandestine) campaigns. We are good at asymmetric warfare using the combo of SOCOM and intel community, leveraging our political and economic weight to destabilize a foe... However, actual ground wars where we take a bloody nose we do not fair so well at. The people (public) change their mind about how cool war is once body bags come home.
Old movie, but very true about us: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no-cHBoTDBQ (it's always the same, at first we're excited, then we change our mind)
In fact, if NATO were to get involved in Ukraine, as surely as I could predict this war and its outcome after we gave the green light for NATO admission to Ukraine, I can assure you that this would be the end of NATO.
NATO would get torn to shreds if we did this. The internal strife / conflict, political finger pointing... it would be a disaster. You have NATO countries that won't want to send combat troops (Germany), some that aren't even contributing their NATO minimum (Germany, Austria), others will not want to get involved at all (Hungary, Spain, Italy), some like France would want a leadership role and would compete with us for this, there would be disagreement over what sort of systems can be deployed (used)... It would become an issue that tears this security alliance apart.
Or... made up from absolute vacuum in space...
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