Posted on 05/10/2024 7:43:51 AM PDT by yesthatjallen
The education board for a rural Virginia county voted early on Friday to restore the names of Confederate generals stripped from two schools in 2020, making the mostly white, Republican district the first in the U.S. to take such an action.
By a 5-1 vote, the Shenandoah County board overturned its 2020 decision that stripped a public high school and elementary school of their original names honoring three military leaders of the pro-slavery South in the Civil War.
Under the board's action, Mountain View High School will again become known as Stonewall Jackson High, while Honey Run Elementary School will revert to the name Ashby Lee Elementary.
The names belong to some of the most well-known military leaders of the Confederacy. Robert E. Lee was commander of the Army of Northern Virginia; Thomas Jonathan "Stonewall" Jackson was a Confederate infantry general, and Turner Ashby was a rebel cavalry commander. All of them were Virginians.
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I am a firm believer in states rights as it was the states that created the federal government rather than the reverse.
On the other hand, I am absolutely and unalterably opposed to slavery in all its forms. Whether chattel, penal, or mental, slavery is utterly evil.
James Madison wrote, “The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation and foreign commerce. ... The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives and liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement and prosperity of the State.”
I think that Mr. Madison would be dismayed to see how his great work, the US Constitution has been misused and misinterpreted.
I think we need a Congress of the States to reign in the Federal Government. The implied powers of the Federal government needs to be sharply curtailed.
SpyNavy
Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)
LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)
I don’t disagree with you about the evils of slavery and even worse, the slave trade. That said, it was a dying “institution” by the 1860s. We were taught in school that the war “about” slavery and was “necessary” to get rid of it. I accepted that for many years. Then I read more about slavery and discovered that every other country in the entire western world got rid of it without a bloodbath. So that really wasn’t “necessary” after all.
Then I started studying the issue more for myself - reading what historians from earlier generations had said. I learned about the Corwin Amendment for the first time. I learned about how the Tariff benefitted one region of the country at the expense of another AND how the fight over the tariff did not end with the Nullification Crisis and it struck me how I wasn’t taught any of this in school. I realized I had only been taught one side of the story....that I’d been given a very slanted view of things and had not been taught half the facts. It was enlightening especially given how the corporate media constantly lies about everything today to push one worldview and benefit one party at the expense of the other and at the expense of anybody they perceive to be a political enemy......
and I realized how massively we had been propagandized about our history....how it had been rewritten 1984 style to benefit one region of the country at the expense of another and how it had been slanted that way to benefit one worldview (centralized power) at the expense of another.....how anybody perceived to be an enemy of that (ie Southerners) had been and were being demonized really starting in the late 1980s by the Leftists in Academia.
I don't know if you had the time to look over the previous discussion; my main point was, whatever your view of the causes of the 'civil war', the main side effect was the near destruction of state's rights. Lyndon Johnson, a 'true' southerner, destroyed Black American cohesion and family values by instituting the welfare state and the role of 'Massa Uncle Sam' - an act of inhumanity in my view. That, plus the federal income tax, established the supreme source of power as the federal govt.
We are on the verge of another, a real civil war, to regain states' rights... states' rights and perhaps the leading issue of our time: the sovereignty of the individual!
Go home to mommy little boy.YOU”LL NEVER CHANGE 1865 numbnuts, YOU LOST!!
Oh stop the bs. The issue was about slavery. It was set in stone in the Confederate Constitution when it was drafted on March 8, 1861 and enshrined the right to own slaves. You’re trouble is, besides being remarkably stupid is your refusal to accept the fact that the South illegally split from the Union and opened fire on Ft. Sumter is the absurd idea that my history is nothing but propaganda and bs while history clearly shows you to be wrong.
This make you dumber than a donkey. Keep fulminating and name calling.
It isn’t going to change 1865. But just keep wasting your breath.
It’s amusing to watch.
Interestingly enough, the slaves actually received about 40-50% of the value of their labor.
SpyNavy
Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)
LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)
Once you start placing the rights, needs, or wishes of any group ahead of that of the individual the discussion becomes one of just how much tyranny is acceptable to you.
SpyNavy
Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)
LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)
Brazil formally got rid of slavery in 1888 and Cuba had done so in 1886. These were the last two holdouts in the Western Hemisphere. The Europeans had gotten rid of it throughout their colonial empires by the late 1860s. Do you contend it would have lasted longer in the Southern states of the US than it did everywhere else in the West? I was aware many slave owners would rent out their slaves for what amounted to contract labor and allow the slaves to keep a significant portion of the wages. That's how some slaves saved up the money to purchase their freedom.
Poor perpetually irate drunkard. BroJoe gets his ass handed to him on a message board and you feel the compulsive need to white knight for him. Hilarious!
I am stopping the BS. I'm refuting you who is the one spreading the BS.
The issue was about slavery.,/p>
No it wasn't.
It was set in stone in the Confederate Constitution when it was drafted on March 8, 1861 and enshrined the right to own slaves.,/p>
Like the US Constitution?
You’re trouble is, besides being remarkably stupid is your refusal to accept the fact that the South illegally split from the Union and opened fire on Ft. Sumter is the absurd idea that my history is nothing but propaganda and bs while history clearly shows you to be wrong.
Among your myriad of problems are chronic stupidity, gross ignorance and your constant repetition of lies. The South quite legally and constitutionally split from the Union. Lincoln unconstitutionally started a war without the consent of Congress for money and empire. You're just not bright enough to actually read for yourself from any but the usual approved propaganda sources.
This make you dumber than a donkey. Keep fulminating and name calling.
Hilarious! Ever notice that it doesn't descend into an insult fest with anybody else but does with you every time? Its because you always start it you effing moron. This apparently is the only way you can communicate.
It isn’t going to change 1865. But just keep wasting your breath.
Nobody is trying to. But its also not going to change the facts about the legality of secession, what the conflict was about, etc etc. You can keep wasting your breath trying but its not going to work.
It’s amusing to watch.
indeed it is!
Yeah The US Constitution sure did allow it . And then fought a war to end it and won it. The Confederate Constitution enshrined slavery , and a launched a war to preserve it and in the end lost. Although the Norths primary purpose was to preserve the Union AND end slavery,and it succeeded in both, And yeah Reb, I always start in on your Rebs because when first coming here I was called a “Lincoln boot licker’’, a ‘’liberal stooge who should go post at “”MOVE ON’’ was psychically threatened by the key board commandos here, ha, real tough guys,and had other epithets tossed at me. *Yawn* Grade school stuff.
And called every name in the book for the soul sin of being a ‘’Liberal Lincoln Boot Lickin’ Yankee Antifa stooge’’.
So yeah, after I made my argument, stated the facts, like the South started the war to preserve slavery and lost I like to throw in a verbal left hook as it were(verbal. I’m not threatening anyone here, I would never do that) to the one note Willies here who keep parroting the same tune you and you Reb buddies keep putting out.
Oh and btw the look up Texas v White 1869.
Have you always been this stupid or did you fall out of a tree when you were a kid?
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The Confederate Constitution enshrined slavery,,/P>
Just like the US Constitution did.
and a launched a war to preserve it and in the end lost.
That's a pure lie. There was no reason to start a war to preserve slavery since slavery was not threatened in the US.
Although the Norths primary purpose was to preserve the Union AND end slavery,and it succeeded in both
Yet another lie.
"The problem with this lofty rhetoric of dying to make men free was that in 1861 the North was fighting for the restoration of a slaveholding Union. In his July 4 message to Congress, Lincoln reiterated the inaugural pledge that he had 'no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with slavery in the States where it exists.'" (McPherson, Ordeal By Fire, p. 265)
In July 1861, the U.S. House of Representatives passed a resolution, by a nearly unanimous vote, that affirmed that the North was not waging the war to overthrow slavery but to preserve the Union (Klingaman, Abraham Lincoln and the Road to Emancipation, pp. 66-70).
And yeah Reb, I always start in on your Rebs because when first coming here I was called a “Lincoln boot licker’’, a ‘’liberal stooge who should go post at “”MOVE ON’’ was psychically threatened by the key board commandos here, ha, real tough guys,and had other epithets tossed at me. *Yawn* Grade school stuff.
As I said you always start it so it always gets dealt right back to you.
So yeah, after I made my argument, stated the facts, like the South started the war to preserve slavery and lost
But you see, that's a lie, not a fact. A fact is that Lincoln was a tyrant who started the war for money and empire.
A case after the war in Which Chief Justice Salmon P Chase ruled that the actions of the Treasure Secretary had been totally just and legal. A certain Salmon P Chase.....
Clearly you didn't need to be dropped on your head as a kid. You were just born a complete idiot.
You on the other hand have been and will be wrong for the rest of your life.
Well Lost Cause Loser, Johnny Reb wannabe and smartest crocus on the Confederate compost heap it's been a reall hoot (not) going another round with y'all in another episode of "How The South Lost The Civil War''. Till next time. If ever.
Ah no Joe hands hands your ass to you. I don’t need to fight Joe’s battles. The man is his own army of intellect that puts your nose in your stink.
Oh and btw Bird brain I ‘ve been sober by the grace of God and AA for 34 years.
So what the f**k is your excuse other than being a dumb as Dixiecrat?
“He considered himself a Southern, and believed that the South was right to Seceed.”
The English noticed that a country born in secession had come around to agreeing with King George and Parliament in only 78 years. Well at least half of the country did, the other half held to the same right of secession that their fathers and grandfathers did.
Unification by force was one of the goals of the European revolutionaries of 1848 and when that failed a lot of them fled and brought their philosophy to America. They are often credited with securing the 1860 nomination for Lincoln.
Actually, The UK had ties to the Confederacy, and almost recognized it.cottomn WAS VERY important to the UK.
having more men and more guns means you have more men and more guns. It does not mean you're right.
Well Lost Cause Loser, Johnny Reb wannabe and smartest crocus on the Confederate compost heap it's been a reall hoot (not) going another round with y'all in another episode of "How The South Lost The Civil War''. Till next time. If ever.
I accept your surrender.
Nah. He got his ass kicked yet again. Same as always.
I don’t need to fight Joe’s battles. The man is his own army of intellect that puts your nose in your stink.
ROTF! Any time a court decides a case in a way he doesn't like its "Crazy" this guy and and oh that guy over there was a Democrat and have I mentioned crazy? The SCOTUS deciding something doesn't decide it....even though it does of course. etc. Such "intellect"
Oh and btw Bird brain I ‘ve been sober by the grace of God and AA for 34 years.,/p>
Its hard to tell. You come across as the typical belligerent drunk.
So what the f**k is your excuse other than being a dumb as Dixiecrat?
My excuse for schooling you over and over again? I was unaware I needed one. I'm far from alone on this board in doing that.
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