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Papers Reveal Nazi Aim: End Christianity .
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | 1/10/02 | Edward Colimore

Posted on 01/10/2002 9:53:22 AM PST by marshmallow

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To: marshmallow
"Different steps in that persecution, such as the campaign for the suppression of denominational and youth organizations, the campaign against denominational schools, the defamation campaign against the clergy, started on the same day in the whole area of the Reich . . . and were supported by the entire regimented press, by Nazi Party meetings, by traveling party speakers."

That the press throughout the country would begin a propaganda campaign simultaneously was nothing unusual. Newspapers and other organs got directives from Goebbels's Ministry of Propaganda more or less every day. A lot of those directives have survived. I wonder if the directives for the anti-Christian campaign survive.

Interesting, however, that the Nazi Party organs should have taken up the same campaigns at the same time as the press. That suggests to me that this was all done on Hitler's orders. I wonder if anything survives indicating that he gave such orders.

By the way, the article doesn't make it clear whether these documents were already published in the voluminous documentary publications of the Nuremberg Trials, or whether they are only published now. Anybody know?

21 posted on 01/10/2002 10:30:03 AM PST by aristeides
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To: RayChuang88
Isn't this kind of old news?

Old news yes, but not very well known or publicized. You can scan entire textbooks and not find it, spend semesters listening to history lectures in colleges, watch hours of History/Discovery/Learning and never hear it. On the internet, even an offhand mention that Nazis were anti-Christian will get you thousands of bytes of prepared text dumps attempting to prove the Nazis were Christian offshoots.

24 posted on 01/10/2002 10:36:12 AM PST by ExpandNATO
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To: CommiesOut
Well gee ... without the Jews, Christianity becomes rather incoherent, does it not?

All the same trip.

(The Reich was ahead of its time in many respects ... where the "spirit of" Vatican II is concerned.)

25 posted on 01/10/2002 10:40:06 AM PST by Askel5
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To: marshmallow
I think there is a parallel between this and the recent Democratic strategy to tie the Religious Right to the Taliban. Could this angle be explored to counter the DNC strategy? Anti Religious = Nazi = DNC.
26 posted on 01/10/2002 10:41:14 AM PST by B-A-Grizzley
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To: marshmallow
'I didn't realize that they were trying to convert Christians to a Nazi philosophy.'

I read an account of a mother in Germany in the thirties who was very concerned because all the children seemed to be drifting away from their parents. They didn't listen to their parents anymore. Their sons were getting mouthy with their fathers. Their daughters were getting pregnant out of wedlock. The schools seemed to be teaching things that were tearing the family apart. Hitler had control of the schools. Much like the NEA today. Is it any wonder that Bill and Hillary thought so highly of Hitler's tactics that they personally gave copies of 'Mein Kamphf' to staff members?

27 posted on 01/10/2002 10:42:06 AM PST by Slyfox
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To: marshmallow
Don't you know the Nazis were really right wing Christian zealots and the church were their accomplices?

What would the world do if they couldn't draw the same old line between Christianity and Nazism or Facism in general?

28 posted on 01/10/2002 10:47:24 AM PST by wardaddy
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To: Goetz_von_Berlichingen
ping
30 posted on 01/10/2002 10:55:03 AM PST by cicero's_son
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To: cicero's_son,Goetz_von_Berlichingen
I'll see that ping Cicero and raise you one!!
31 posted on 01/10/2002 10:57:59 AM PST by wardaddy
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To: Ward Smythe
Not to mention the World Council of Churches.

And, as encouraged by the UN. By the looks of today's touchy-feely, emotional needs and self-esteem oriented ministries, as well as the variety show/theatre style services, the plan to destroy christianity is on the march, under a different banner. The Willow Creek/Saddleback heresies are leading the way on the evangelical side; built on Robert Schuller's concept "SELF ESTEEM: The new Reformation", his 1982 book, which declared, "Classical theology has erred in its insistence that theology be 'God-centered,' not 'man-centered'." (p64) (God centered christianity is in error!!?) Nothing but humanism masquerading as christianity. But Carl Rogers masquerading as Jesus doesn't make him the Christ.

32 posted on 01/10/2002 10:59:17 AM PST by KirkandBurke
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To: aristeides
I wonder if anything survives indicating that he gave such orders.

There is quite a lot of material around dealing with the belief system(s) of the Nazis. Some of it is rather odd. Take this one, for example, from a chapter titled: Genocide - an Act of Black Magic, in a book by Nigel Pennick:

...yet Himmler gave his genocide programme priority even over the survival of Germany itself. Genocide was the magical act whereby the history of the world would forever be transformed, even if Germany did not survive. The elimination of the Jews, and with them their culture and religion, would leave a vacuum for the ascendance of the demonic powers controlled by or controlling the Third Reich. Himmler felt himself a participant in a psychic armageddon. Fortunately he was on the losing side.

I won't vouch for Mr. Pennick's correctness or anything, but that is one of the views out there. And Hitler was, if anything, even more squirrely than Himmler. For more on the Nazi's plan to take over the church, go look at Alfred Rosenberg/Hitler.

33 posted on 01/10/2002 10:59:24 AM PST by Cachelot
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To: Campion
Anybody well versed in Nazi history (such as yourself) already knows that after winning the War, Hitler next goal was the destruction of the church (i.e., All religions under the Reich). Unfortunately, many of the "Blame Religion for everything folks" refuse to acknowledge this.
34 posted on 01/10/2002 11:03:55 AM PST by ohioman
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To: Ward Smythe
Not to mention the World Council of Churches...

You beat me to it. The biggest threat to Christianity today is from people pretending to be Christians.

35 posted on 01/10/2002 11:08:20 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: Campion
Wasn't it in one of his endless apology speeches that Comrade Clinton referred to Hitler as a "Christian, in a twisted kind of way"? More evidence of Bubba's total ignorance of history, his vaunted intelligence notwithstanding (Rhodes Scholars are a notorious joke anyway). The Nazis were an explicitly pagan movement and Adolf never made any secret of his contempt for Christianity as a "religion for slaves".

Wild Bill Donovan was a great American, by the way. Is his archive on-line and does anybody have a link?

36 posted on 01/10/2002 11:09:33 AM PST by Argus
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To: marshmallow
Any totalitarian regime (Nazi, Communist, US Democrats, etc.) will try to undo Christianity's courage, hope, individual choice, redemption, etc. because God can then be replaced by "The State" honchos.
37 posted on 01/10/2002 11:11:01 AM PST by lds23
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I have to quibble a bit with you, there, ohioman.

The Nazis aim was not the extirpation of religion per se, but the destruction of both Judaism and Christianity, and their replacement by a new state cult.

That new religion combined elements of neo-paganism and occultism with the idolatrous worship of "German-ness" in general and the person of Adolf Hitler in particular.

38 posted on 01/10/2002 11:13:53 AM PST by Campion
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To: RayChuang88
Your# 12) Correct!!

Both, JFK and Hitler were 'Patsies'.

39 posted on 01/10/2002 11:21:08 AM PST by maestro
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To: marshmallow
Islam, Public Schools, Communists, Socialists, Democrats, aligned together to use government power to eliminate Christianity.

Christians, through principal, making decision not to use governemnt power to impact religious expression (Founding fathers)

Two irreconciliable philosophies - so why do the Repubs try to appease the demorats? Why don't people see a spirit of antichrist when it is spitting in the face? What people call "the jude-christian" ethos is the enemy of all democrats, communists, muslims, socialists, atheists, etc etc - Every group on the inside of the "tolerance" movement is AGAINST and INTOLERANT of the "judeo-christian" ethos. Why don't people smell the spirit of anti-christ in the tolerance movement? Yes they are anti-american - but only the juedo-christian part - Dr Laura did a great piece yesterday on how the tolerance crowd is not really for tolerance but against america - the truth is they are anti - judeo/christian - ie ANTICHRIST

40 posted on 01/10/2002 11:28:08 AM PST by artios
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