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1 posted on 01/10/2002 9:53:22 AM PST by marshmallow
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2 posted on 01/10/2002 9:57:18 AM PST by CommiesOut
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To: marshmallow
Seems now the US congress, the US senate, the US administation, and the USSC are trying to do likewise through the public school system.
3 posted on 01/10/2002 9:58:28 AM PST by Alas
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Papers Reveal Nazi Aim: End Christianity.

Same aim as Islam.

4 posted on 01/10/2002 10:01:27 AM PST by ppaul
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It sounds like the same plan that the Communist and Socialists have been doing with some of our American Churches for decades.
5 posted on 01/10/2002 10:02:45 AM PST by Fish out of Water
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". . . They wanted to eliminate the Jews altogether, but they were also looking to eliminate Christianity."

Shhhh! Don't say that! The Holocaust industry is going to be very disappointed to hear this.

6 posted on 01/10/2002 10:03:31 AM PST by Alberta's Child
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While we are all aware of the historical phenomenon of theocracies, religion is enemy No. 1 of any modern state, because religious people have inner freedom.
7 posted on 01/10/2002 10:04:15 AM PST by annalex
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What a coincidence. Isn't this similar to what Islamic Fundamentalists aim to do?
8 posted on 01/10/2002 10:05:11 AM PST by Destructor
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To: marshmallow; *Christian_list; *Christian persecutio; *Clash of Civilizatio
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10 posted on 01/10/2002 10:06:53 AM PST by denydenydeny
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Will this finally put to rest the standard lie that Nazism was a "Christian" movement out to exterminate Jews and others in the name of "Christianity"?

Some atheists and others are going to be very disappointed.

11 posted on 01/10/2002 10:09:06 AM PST by Campion
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Isn't this kind of old news?

From what I've read from several books about the Third Reich, the Nazis were strongly already heading away from Christianity anyway, especially with Adolf Hitler's strong obsession with the occult.

Why do you think there was considerable interest during the Nazi era to bring back the old Norse gods? Small wonder why Richard Wagner's Ring cycle of operas was so prominently publicized--and why Wagner's descendants are still trying to live it down.

12 posted on 01/10/2002 10:10:53 AM PST by RayChuang88
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The existence of these papers is not surprising to anyone who has read the history of the Nazi movement before the revisionists, the Pius X haters, and the Catholic-bashers got hold of it.

When Bismark decided to modernize Germany into a great power in 1870, one of his first actions was to attack the Catholic Church, which he saw as an incurable impediment to his plans. He put the Lutheran Church on the back burner, to be dealt with later.

With Hitler it was basically the same. Catholicism had to be destroyed. Maybe half the German Lutherans would have to be destroyed as well, but the other half might be coopted and twisted to his purposes.

Naziism was esentially pagan. Like most modern movements which are obsessed with power and control, it wanted to rule over nature and human nature through magic and science. It refused what Christianity advocates: to submit to God and take one's proper place within the nature that God created.

14 posted on 01/10/2002 10:12:48 AM PST by Cicero
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15 posted on 01/10/2002 10:14:28 AM PST by Temple Owl
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"Important leaders of the National Socialist party would have liked to meet this situation [church influence] by complete extirpation of Christianity and the substitution of a purely racial religion...

Their names wouldn't happen to be Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, would they?
16 posted on 01/10/2002 10:15:56 AM PST by Frumious Bandersnatch
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Gosh. A planned attack on Christianity by the Nazis!

It's a good thing we got rid of them. Such a thing never happened before and surely couldn't happen again!... could it?

20 posted on 01/10/2002 10:29:14 AM PST by Gritty
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"Different steps in that persecution, such as the campaign for the suppression of denominational and youth organizations, the campaign against denominational schools, the defamation campaign against the clergy, started on the same day in the whole area of the Reich . . . and were supported by the entire regimented press, by Nazi Party meetings, by traveling party speakers."

That the press throughout the country would begin a propaganda campaign simultaneously was nothing unusual. Newspapers and other organs got directives from Goebbels's Ministry of Propaganda more or less every day. A lot of those directives have survived. I wonder if the directives for the anti-Christian campaign survive.

Interesting, however, that the Nazi Party organs should have taken up the same campaigns at the same time as the press. That suggests to me that this was all done on Hitler's orders. I wonder if anything survives indicating that he gave such orders.

By the way, the article doesn't make it clear whether these documents were already published in the voluminous documentary publications of the Nuremberg Trials, or whether they are only published now. Anybody know?

21 posted on 01/10/2002 10:30:03 AM PST by aristeides
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To: marshmallow
I think there is a parallel between this and the recent Democratic strategy to tie the Religious Right to the Taliban. Could this angle be explored to counter the DNC strategy? Anti Religious = Nazi = DNC.
26 posted on 01/10/2002 10:41:14 AM PST by B-A-Grizzley
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'I didn't realize that they were trying to convert Christians to a Nazi philosophy.'

I read an account of a mother in Germany in the thirties who was very concerned because all the children seemed to be drifting away from their parents. They didn't listen to their parents anymore. Their sons were getting mouthy with their fathers. Their daughters were getting pregnant out of wedlock. The schools seemed to be teaching things that were tearing the family apart. Hitler had control of the schools. Much like the NEA today. Is it any wonder that Bill and Hillary thought so highly of Hitler's tactics that they personally gave copies of 'Mein Kamphf' to staff members?

27 posted on 01/10/2002 10:42:06 AM PST by Slyfox
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Don't you know the Nazis were really right wing Christian zealots and the church were their accomplices?

What would the world do if they couldn't draw the same old line between Christianity and Nazism or Facism in general?

28 posted on 01/10/2002 10:47:24 AM PST by wardaddy
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Any totalitarian regime (Nazi, Communist, US Democrats, etc.) will try to undo Christianity's courage, hope, individual choice, redemption, etc. because God can then be replaced by "The State" honchos.
37 posted on 01/10/2002 11:11:01 AM PST by lds23
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Islam, Public Schools, Communists, Socialists, Democrats, aligned together to use government power to eliminate Christianity.

Christians, through principal, making decision not to use governemnt power to impact religious expression (Founding fathers)

Two irreconciliable philosophies - so why do the Repubs try to appease the demorats? Why don't people see a spirit of antichrist when it is spitting in the face? What people call "the jude-christian" ethos is the enemy of all democrats, communists, muslims, socialists, atheists, etc etc - Every group on the inside of the "tolerance" movement is AGAINST and INTOLERANT of the "judeo-christian" ethos. Why don't people smell the spirit of anti-christ in the tolerance movement? Yes they are anti-american - but only the juedo-christian part - Dr Laura did a great piece yesterday on how the tolerance crowd is not really for tolerance but against america - the truth is they are anti - judeo/christian - ie ANTICHRIST

40 posted on 01/10/2002 11:28:08 AM PST by artios
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