[blam]

Anyone care to speculate what may have caused this change 5-6,000 years ago? I'll start:

#1. The Mediterranean which had been desicated since the Ice Age re-filled?

#2. The same for the Gulf Of Mexico?

[JZoback]

Noah's flood?

[Little Bill]

Asteriod(sp) 4000 years into the Holocene, fits all of the facts.

[RightWhale]

Can't say what triggers temple building. Organized or State religion might do it. El Nino doesn't seem to have the right kind of stuff to cause temple building.

Some temples are symbolic, others could be meteorological. Some may have been survey markers. Some may have been schools of science, math, or history.

I'm going to stick with the idea that a change in sea level would change tides and currents like the Gulf Stream and El Nino.

[Jeremy_Bentham]

bump for later

[XBob]

a number of years ago, I read several articles about sea bed core borings in the Medeteranian. I don't remember when or the dates discovered, but the general gist of the stories were that the Medeteranian was dry land for eons, then all of a sudden, it changed into sea bottom - like over night, or at least in just a few years. This was probably about 10-15 years ago that this story hqppened.

[capitan_refugio]

The Mediterranean Sea has very young, shallow evaporites in the sea floor sediments. These were drilled by the Deep Sea Drilling Project in the early 1970's. In several later papers, geologists proposed that the present sea filled when the Atlantic Ocean broke through at the Straits of Gibralter, filling what must have been a huge, formidible, desert-like sink.

On the other hand, the salt layers in the Gulf of Mexico, onshore Texas, Louisinana, Arkansas, and Mexico date back into the Jurassic. They may very well be related to similar salt layers in the North Sea and Germany (called the Zechstein). These were deposited when the continents were in a greatly different configuration, and may record the opening of the proto-Atlantic Ocean (in plate tectonic theory). There is no good evidence to suggest that the Gulf of Mexico, as we know it today, was ever devoid of water.

Another possibility to consider when talking about global climate changes, and/or ocean circulation changes, is the development of the Isthumus at Panama, connecting North and South America, and cutting of the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans at the middle latitudes.

[GOP Jedi]

Atuk: Cold this year.

Murak: Ayup.

Atuk: Was cold last year.

Murak: Ayup.

Atuk: Reckon we oughtta build us a temple. That'll help.

Murak: Ayup.

Atuk. Ayup.

[rightofrush]

#1. The Mediterranean which had been desicated since the Ice Age re-filled?

Most likely, if true. More likely: flooding into the Black Sea.
Most likely: A shift of the Gulf Stream southward and/or a shift in the Japanese Current.

[let freedom sing]

Cold snap triggers temple building-- that's what's happening in Utah right NOW. Following the Olympics, many new recruits-- despite protests from world community foreboding unwanted proslyting. People came to Utah seeking fun and games, and get answers to questions, as well. Heading home to enlist. Big Boom in temple building to follow.

[muawiyah]

The Mediterranean refilled several million years ago. It was the Black Lake that was flooded with salt water and probably became the source of the "Great Flood" stories. The Sahara dried out about 5,000 years ago also.

[FreeLibertarian]

#2. The same for the Gulf Of Mexico?

My Brother and I have been discussing that possibility recently. Do you have any reference data or links?

[Graewoulf]

The wood in sediments in an abandoned deep water channel in the Mediterranean has been carbon dated to 5000 YBP. Hence, supporting evidence of a lowering of the Mediterranean.

Also, the Red Earth people had an extensive trade system in the Arctic at about the same time.

Both of these observations are consistent with a lowering of sea level during a warmer than Present segment of time.

Isotope studies of the Greenland and Antartic Ice Cores include assumptions that are consistent with Ocean waters periodically being as much as 9 degrees Celcius warmer than the Present.

There is NO evidence that CO2 was a SIGNIFICANT cause of ANY of these temperature and Ocean Level cycles.

[handk]

Dear Blam:

You do know that "civilised" is incorrectly spelled, right?

It's spelled "civilized", moron!

Are you a recent graduate from a government "ska-ule"?

Dummed Down?

[LN2Campy]

Fluctuations in climate have gone on since time out of mind, so who knows the cause?

On an aside note, for most of the population, that "civilization" thing didn't necessarily work out so great till fairly recently. When settled societies first began, we went from having high protein diets and an incredible amount of mobility and free time (hunter/gatherers) to a life of subsistence agriculture featuring meagre rations and ceaseless stoop labor.

I wonder if anyone has theorized about the legend of the loss of the "Garden of Eden" being somehow rooted in that fateful switch??

[SunkenCiv]

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[Chani]

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[Mike Darancette]

#2. The same for the Gulf Of Mexico?

I don't think so.

[SunkenCiv]

The End of Eden: The Comet That Changed Civilization
amazon | Oct. 8, 2007
Posted on 10/09/2007 2:47:23 AM EDT by doug from upland
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1908525/posts