Posted on 06/29/2002 10:49:44 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow
Sunday June 30, 2002; 12:21 a.m. EDT Report: 'Lily Whites' Recruited to Carry Out OKC Bombing A congressional task force investigating the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing had information suggesting that Islamic plotters recruited two "lily whites" - non-Middle Easterners with no connection to prior terrorist activity - to carry out the attack ultimately perpetrated by Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, according to a report broadcast late Saturday. Terrorism expert Yoseff Bodansky discussed the previously secret evidence obtained by Congress during an interview with Fox News Channel's Rita Cosby. COSBY: I'm going to read some information that we obtained here at Fox News - something else you wrote that, more importantly, that the congressional task force learned: That two "lily whites" - these are people sort of considered non-Middle Easterners - had been recruited to carry out the bombing of an American federal building. BODANSKY: "Lily whites" are people that have no - nothing to do with ethnic background, that's not true. "Lily whites" is the term used for people who have no past known encounter with security authorities anywhere in the U.S. or anywhere in the world. And therefore, there's no way they will raise an alarm bell with the security authorities once they're involved in something. COSBY: So these are people who would sort of be out of the scope? BODANSKY: It can be somebody from the heart of Africa, somebody from the middle of Australia or anywhere else. (End of Excerpt) Couple Bodansky comments with a report on Judicial Watch Radio last week, where Judicial Watch co-counsel Mike Johnson detailed a very specific warning that came just hours before the OKC bombing from Washington, D.C.'s then-top terrorism expert. "Vincent Cannistraro, who is the former Chief of Counter-Terrorism for the CIA, called Special (FBI) Agent Kevin L. Foust, and informed him that one of his best sources from Saudi Arabia intelligence specifically advised him that there was a squad of people currently in the United States, very possibly Iraqi, and I'm quoting, 'who have been tasked with carrying out terrorist acts against the United States,'" said Johnson. "The Saudi informant, who's part of the Saudi Counter-Terrorism Service, told him that he had seen the list and that 'first on the list was the Federal Building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.'" Johnson said other targets on the Saudi informant's list included Immigration of Naturalization Service offices in Houston and what was then the FBI's counterterrorism headquarters in Los Angeles.
Trust me, _Jim, when I say that I, and many others, have thought about this, and read about it, and talked about it, more than you will ever know.
As much as I would have liked to have "bought" the government line, something didn't quite add up from the very first. And it still doesn't, no matter how I try to rectify all the facts.
Let's forget about all the witnesses, all the John Doe #2s, all the evidence of prior warning to government officials, all the evidence that Terry Nichols met with sophisticated terrorists from the Middle East in the Phillipines,and even the FBI for a minute. Explain these inconsistencies as they relate to Timothy McVeigh.
Why did Clinton, on the day McVeigh was arrested, call for him to be put to death "sooner rather than later"?
Don't recall that with Ted Kaczinki, Ramzi Youssef, or even after 9/11. Mr. Clinton was strangely silent about the death penalty other than as it relates to OKC. He's a democrat, remember, and is supposed to generally oppose the death penalty, except for "sometimes."
How did McVeigh and Nichols get the training to mix explosives capable of destroying a structure like the Murrah building, with no outside help, and no prior experience?
Why would McVeigh, who was so careful about details that he claimed to have painted the detonator cord to the bomb to match the color of the truck, "forget" to put a license plate on the car he was driving after the blast? Remember, this was after the man he bought the car from watched him screw on the license plate.
Why did he tell another prisoner on death row his death "would be revenged?"
Why would McVeigh have dropped out of the military when it was the one place he was truly successful?
Why would he have been carrying Afghani telephone numbers when he was arrested?
Why were the prosecutors in his case unable to put even one witness on the stand who could place McVeigh in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995? (The answer is that none of those witnesses would have followed the proscribed script)
Why didn't McVeigh shoot the trooper who arrested him? (It's a good question. Do YOU believe, as McVeigh claimed, that it was because he had such great respect for local and state cops and only hated the feds?)
Why in the world would his attorneys have conconcted such an elaborate theory if they had no evidence to support their contentions? Did the writ of Mandamus come from thin air? Why would they have expended so much effort trying to delay or prevent the execution if they truly believed their client's story,(and respected his wishes, as they are charged to do)?
Why, in this one particular case, did the FBI lose and destroy so many files? Don't recall that particular allegation relating to any other terrorism case the FBI has investigated.
Why wasn't his execution postponed any longer? We now know there were thousands more missings 302s than the public knew about in May, 2001. And the FBI has admitted many were destroyed. And there hadn't been a federal execution since 1963. IF there was going to be a delay , why not make the delay long enough for a real, thorough investigation?
Why did Ashcroft say there would be no more delays, while announcing the first one? What if the evidence had turned up of other accomplices? Or even evidence that McVeigh was NOT as guilty as he appeared to be? Would the execution have gone forward anyway?
There may be reasonable answers to some of these questions, but ALL OF THEM? If you can explain ALL OF THEM in a reasonable way, in this post 9/11 world, I'd like to hear it, and so would a lot of other people.
Since you don't seem to believe the hard evidence, perhaps you'll see it in a different way, if you try examining it from a human perspective, as I've tried to illustrate.
None of us has all the answers, _Jim, or even a portion of them. Perhaps you do.
Since then, that particular column has been erased from the magazine's archives. And the columnist who included it has begun ridiculing efforts by the House Government Reform Committee to collect additional information on the OKC investigation.
How do you explain that?
I realize that spewing, not reasoning, is your strong suit but think about the situation from this perspective.
In January, 1950, eleven men carried out the Brink's Robbery in Boston, MA. To a man these were life-long professional criminals. According to an exhibit at the Boston Public Library, there were "hundreds of accessories" to the crime. Crimemagazine.com says the event was two years in the planning. The heist was pulled off by complete surprise -- the cops expected nothing.
Fast-forward to 9-11. We now have 20 known participants, operating internationally, intending to hijack four jetliners using box cutters and plastic knives. We know four or more attackers would have to take enough flight training to pilot the aircrafts -- a helluva complicated accomplishment for amateurs. They would need to be trained to take over an aircraft with 80-290 passengers on board. Meantime they are known to have been in South Florida, Frankfurt, Madrid and other places. When they weren't entertaining themselves at strip clubs, they took time out to research the operation of crop duster aircraft and other items of interest at airports, libraries and elsewhere.
There would be a huge web of participants and infrastructure required to pull off something like this. And, worth noting, the ragheads knew they would probably be tracked by (allegedly) the two most potent law enforcement/spy catcher agencies in the world: the FBI and CIA. Hence, the 9-11 hijackers had a monumental task of maintaining secrecy of the operation. The Brink's robbers had only the Brink's guards and Boston PD to worry about.
I suggest the following:
The planning for 9-11 began no later than shortly after the failed attempt to blow away the WTC in 1993.
If eleven Brink's robbers operating locally required "hundreds of accessories," the 20 internationally operating 9-11 attackers required thousands.
The money required to support the acquisition of assets -- both human and material -- and their training and upkeep for years at a time would be more than mere pocket change.
I can spew, too. Case made?
America's Fifth Column ... watch PBS documentary JIHAD! In America
Download 8 Mb zip file here (60 minute video)
John Doe 2, Hussain al-Hussaini, was working at Boston's Logan Airport on 9-11.
Guilt. Is that what you are trying to deal with here on this thread? It appears so from your irrational,emotional rants.
" FRAUDULENT COURT RECORDS "
I think not.
You DOPE! I suppose YOU would be happy with the Courts to proceed against YOU the same way, huh?
When the Gov. says...AFTER THE TRIAL...oops, we found 3000 pages of documents that SHOULD HAVE GONE TO THE DEFENDANT...too bad.
THEN, the (in)Justice Department "reviews" the documents, and says..."Hey...nuthin' here to stop an execution!"
O.J. had more evidence on him than McVeigh...but I guess in your Government Bunker, you see "nuthin'" too.
While you type out your latest crap about "tinfoil and conspiracy Kooks"...why didn't you answer my questions to you, Shill/Troll/Scumbag!
Now, click your heels 3 times and say "There IS no evidence...."
lol
I realize that spewing, not reasoning, is your strong suit but think about the situation from this perspective.And of course, you would be WRONG on that particular count (you must be NEW to FR! You are appearently completely UNAWARE of the volumes of material I post, cite or reference to BUTTRESS my air-tight position during an argument!) ...
Now, back to the subject at hand ... your failure would be to understand group/human dynamics and what it takes, with minimal funds and resources, to plan and carry out an 'operation'.
Strip away all the requirements/demands on time that a normal American faces a) the family b) the job c) the chursh d) teh community e) housework: lawn-care, painting, Christmas tree lights put up around Thanksgiving, f) kin/in-laws and yiou have the time schedule of a terrorist targetting one of the 9/11 flights ... couple that with some good management in the form of a couple of dedicated die-hards like Mohahhad Atta and you can achieve your goal.
No fancy worldwide organization (as often depited in a James Bond 007 movies) need exist - just the bare essentials: - a) the participants, b) a dedicated 'management' core of two or three individuals (as with ANY successful activity) and c) the requisite source of funding.
You fail to show what HUNDREDS of accomplices would be needed for in an operation as was conducted on 9/11 - I can see how intricate knowledge would be needed on a bank heist, but such detailed planning wasn't necessary once the critical threshold of getting aboard an aircraft was accomplished. The rest, I would say, was easy.
Even planning this event could have been the product of one observant individual! Perhaps a write of popular sci-tech novels was his inspiration!
A few acquired skills, such as turning and banking a large aircraft, were key to this 'plan' - but I fail to see where the coordination up and down a worldwide orgainzation would play a role in each of these 'aspects' such as developing skills to pilot an aircraft, purchasing airline ticket for cordinated flgihts, boarding each of the flights on-time TEHN executing the paln ...
You just plain, straight-away fail to make your case showing a need for a HUGE organization with 'strings' pulled from the very heightsd of such an organization, therefore, one can conclude that a) it isn't necessary (aside from financial sponsorship) b) and probably (on the basis of a)) didn't exist (again, aside from the financial sponsorship angle.
Your turn to 'spew'.
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