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Ventura's church-state proclamation criticized
St. Paul Pioneer Press ^ | 7/4/02 | Kermit Pattison

Posted on 07/04/2002 5:35:52 PM PDT by rhema

Gov. Jesse Ventura's proclamation of "Indivisible Day" sure has divided some folks.

Ventura set off some early fireworks at the Capitol when he took the suggestion of an atheist group and declared July 4 as "Indivisible Day" in Minnesota. The proclamation reignited a long-simmering debate about the governor's attitude toward religion and the separation of church and state.

"This process is continuing the governor's hostility towards religion that was originally revealed in his Playboy interview when he said religion is a sham and crutch for weak-minded people," said Aaron Hall, a spokesman for the Minnesota Family Council. "He's continuing that attack in a more politically correct way using his public office.''

Ventura declared "Indivisible Day" on the suggestion of a group called Atheists of Minnesota for Human Rights, said David Ruth, a spokesman for the governor.

"The governor thought it was a good idea," Ruth said. "The proclamation really talks about unity. A lot of people are thinking it's about religion, and they're mistaken. It's talking about bringing people together on a very important day. It's not in any way meant to divide people."

Ventura signed the proclamation Tuesday before leaving for the July Fourth holiday. The document quoted former President James Madison on the separation of church and state and extolled the virtues of diversity and tolerance in protecting "one Nation, indivisible."

That line echoed the Pledge of Allegiance "one nation under God, indivisible" — except with reference to God deleted. In May, Ventura vetoed a bill that would have made public schoolchildren recite the Pledge once per week unless the school board opted out or the student specifically chose not to participate.

Late last month, a U.S. Court of Appeals panel in California declared the Pledge's forced recitation in public schools unconstitutional because of the reference to God. The controversial ruling was later put on hold.

Ventura's proclamation reads: "Eternal vigilance must be maintained to guard against those who seek to stifle ideas, establish a narrow orthodoxy, and divide our nation along arbitrary lines of race, ethnicity, and religious belief or non-belief."

Those were fighting words, according to the Minnesota Family Council.

"The governor's proclamation is not about neutrality, but hostility toward religion," Hall said. "Who is he talking about? It's obvious that it is people of faith. This is another shameful attack on people of faith in the public square."

The controversy represents the latest salvo in an ongoing dispute. Ventura also has refused to sign a proclamation declaring a National Day of Prayer in Minnesota, citing the separation of church and state and saying he represents all citizens of the state, including those who don't believe in prayer.

Ruth said critics simply had misinterpreted the meaning of the most recent proclamation.

"It's clearly not an attack," he said. Secretary of State Mary Kiffmeyer said she was troubled that the governor created controversy at what should be a time of unity.

"No, no — it's Independence Day," said Kiffmeyer, who ironically signed the proclamation as part of her official duties. "This is a national holiday. To interject division and this language into this holiday time is unnecessary."

"This language is from an atheist group," she said. "They're entitled to their opinion and so are the rest of us. I'm exercising my right to have an opinion just like they can. But what I do find troubling is using July 4 as a time to proclaim that."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: glassjawventura; jesseventura; libertarians; medicalmarijuana; minnesota
Check it out: Forty-nine governors didn't suffer paroxysms of church-state paranoia when they signed proclamations declaring May 3 an official Day of Prayer in their respective states. Our WWF scion, author of the "organized religion is a sham and a crutch for weak-minded people who need strength in numbers" Playboy magazine quote, didn't want to risk offending Hugh Hefner, Bill Clinton, and the sybarite minority by following suit.

"Indivisible Day." November 5th can't come soon enough.

1 posted on 07/04/2002 5:35:52 PM PDT by rhema
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To: BibChr; logos
Correction: National Day of Prayer, officially proclaimed in every state but Minnesota, was May 2. Jesse probably observed the day by ordering the staff to clean up the mansion after one of his son's chip-off-the-old-block parties.
2 posted on 07/04/2002 5:40:31 PM PDT by rhema
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To: rhema
Atheism = "a narrow orthodoxy"
3 posted on 07/04/2002 5:40:43 PM PDT by aimhigh
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To: rhema
The people of Minnesota got exactly what they asked for, if not what they expected, when they elected a former wrestler to be their governor.
4 posted on 07/04/2002 5:43:43 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: rhema
As a right-wing Christian, I could care less about this kind of issue. I know the difference between right and wrong; and what works for me. I believe in the doctine of seperation of church and state. I don't want the government telling me whom and how to worship. And if I love my neighbor as myself, I will tell him the good news, but I will respect his decision on receiving it. If someone doesn't accept the gospel, you simply knock the dust off of your shoes and move on (even though your heart is breaking).

(My problem with Waco is that I may not like the way, for example, Methodists worship and run their church, but I'm not going to attack them and burn their children to death!)
5 posted on 07/04/2002 6:00:13 PM PDT by M. T. Cicero II
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To: M. T. Cicero II
We are bidden to pray for government that we may live a "quiet life" in all "godliness and holiness" which "pleases God our Savior who is not willing that any should perish but all should come to repentance." To not care about a state whose official religion is non-religion, however "pure" that may seem, is folly and DISOBEYS the bible. The state whose official religion is non-religion will not stop at that. Resisted only by the vacuous "high mindedness" of its judges, it will begin to slouch into more and more frontal attacks upon the faith of Christ. If you will notice, the gay rights movement is seeking to bring that about right now.
6 posted on 07/04/2002 6:38:25 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: rhema
The controversy represents the latest salvo in an ongoing dispute. Ventura also has refused to sign a proclamation declaring a National Day of Prayer in Minnesota, citing the separation of church and state and saying he represents all citizens of the state, including those who don't believe in prayer.

Politicians are jokes. Every time they take a stand they hide behind crap like this. He cant do it, not because he doesnt believe in it though. No, its because he represents everyone and some people are against it so he cannot enact it. Okay, well then I guess taxes can never be raised, since some people are against it. Abortion cannot be legalized since some people are against it. Etc etc. Oh wait, sometimes they can go against people they "represent"? Imagine that.

7 posted on 07/04/2002 8:41:45 PM PDT by pepsi_junkie
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To: M. T. Cicero II
As a right-wing Christian, I could care less about this kind of issue...

No, it's I COULDN'T care less. Got it? It means that you care so little about the issue that you couldn't possible care less than you do.

I swear, I shall never rest until this error is eradicated from the face of the Earth!!!!

8 posted on 07/04/2002 8:49:13 PM PDT by PMCarey
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To: pepsi_junkie
Abortion cannot be legalized since some people are against it. Etc etc. Oh wait, sometimes they can go against people they "represent"? Imagine that.

Our imperious governor fairly "bristles with hostility to religion," to borrow Justice Rehnquist's phrase.

He's also eager to placate the "reproductive rights" minority on the issue of abortion. He vetoed a Woman's Right to Know bill (after promising to sign it when he was campaigning for governor), claiming that a 24-hour waiting period was his obstacle. That bill, with the 24-hour waiting period, was favored by 73 percent of Minnesotans (and 77 percent of women).

On the issue of abortion itself, six percent of Minnesotans would make it legal without restrictions for the first six months of pregnancy. Five percent would make it legal with no restrictions for the entire nine months of pregnancy -- the current abortion policy (to which Ventura does slavish obeisance) in Minnesota and the country.

When you get right down to it, our solipsistic Jesse is not interested in minority rights as much as he's intent on enshrining his own hedonistic irreligion as state policy.

9 posted on 07/05/2002 6:34:28 AM PDT by rhema
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To: pepsi_junkie
An interesting addendum: Dan Creed's Betrayal at the Governor's Residence in today's Minneapolis Star Tribune.
10 posted on 07/05/2002 6:49:16 AM PDT by rhema
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To: rhema
Either one too many piledrivers, or one too many boilermakers. Some compound word like that, anyway.

Dan

11 posted on 07/05/2002 9:06:39 AM PDT by BibChr
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To: BibChr
Either one too many piledrivers, or one too many boilermakers. Some compound word like that, anyway.

I'm guessing it's the cumulative effect of those Atomic Buttdrops, which have lowered the collective IQ of the WWF fraternity by gargantuan proportions.

12 posted on 07/05/2002 1:29:36 PM PDT by rhema
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To: PMCarey
No, it's I COULDN'T care less.

BUMP for good syntax.

13 posted on 07/05/2002 1:43:01 PM PDT by Sloth
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