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Catastrophic floods built Grand Canyon
UPI ^ | July 20, 2002 | Dan Whipple

Posted on 07/20/2002 4:00:28 PM PDT by gcruse

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1 posted on 07/20/2002 4:00:28 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: gcruse; Carry_Okie
The Grand Canyon would have been in violation of EPA non-point-source regulations had the EPA existed eons ago.

My suggestion is that we should find which ancient deep-pockets republican corporation is responsible for all that sediment and force them to remediate: FILL IT IN! </sarcasm>

2 posted on 07/20/2002 4:05:37 PM PDT by snopercod
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To: snopercod
This makes more sense than my Grandad's appraisal: "Scotchman dropped a nickel down a gopher hole!"
3 posted on 07/20/2002 4:09:54 PM PDT by Crowcreek
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To: snopercod
Looks like an out-of-court sediment is in the works. :)
4 posted on 07/20/2002 4:17:32 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: snopercod
"These were some high dams," Webb said. "We estimate some were more than 1,500 feet tall."

So I guess there's nothing unusual about Lake Powell. Somebody should tell the Sierra Club.

5 posted on 07/20/2002 4:19:23 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: gcruse
That would be an "out of course" sediment, sir...

(taking cover now)
6 posted on 07/20/2002 4:20:25 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: gcruse
Interesting. I would like to see the estimates of area the reservoir encompassed. Must have been one huge lake if indeed it happened that way.

I think the Pleistocene flash flooding of Oregon and Washington State is a cool read, those ice dams at Lake Missoula must have been huge.


7 posted on 07/20/2002 4:21:03 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: snopercod
FILL IT IN!

With what? Illegal immigrants?
8 posted on 07/20/2002 4:26:00 PM PDT by jwh_Denver
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To: gcruse
This is easy to imagine. The cut looks like fresh erosion. After all the change of heart on what caused similar features on Mars, it is not surprising to find some of the martian theories being reflected right back to earth.
9 posted on 07/20/2002 4:28:34 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: Carry_Okie
Lake Powell is one of my favorite places. I haven't been there for six years, but I have houseboated on it and flown over it in a C-172 (piloted by myownself, thank you very much).

The feds are just pissed because people have fun there.

10 posted on 07/20/2002 5:19:19 PM PDT by snopercod
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To: Rebelbase
Given that we know that humans migrated to the Americas about 30,000 years ago, it's possible these early humans may have seen this spectacular event: the emptying of the ancient Lake Bonneville in what is now Utah state.

According to geologists, Lake Bonneville was formed from an ice dam during the last major Ice Age on this planet. As the glaciers receded, the dam probably melted and gave way about 15,500 years ago, resulting in a huge torrent of water that craved out the Snake River Canyon and much of the canyons of the Columbia River basin.

It's been speculated that many of the human legends of a Great Flood may be based on humans witnessing the collapse of ice dams at the end of the last great Ice Age causing massive land flooding; the stories got passed down through oral tradition. Oceanographer Robert Ballard (of Titanic rediscovery fame) said in National Geographic magazine that the Black Sea around 9,000 BC rose quite rapidly because of the combination of water coming from the north from glacial melting and the sudden rush of water from the south through the Bosphorus Straits.

11 posted on 07/20/2002 6:18:20 PM PDT by RayChuang88
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According to geologists, Lake Bonneville was formed from an ice dam during the last major Ice Age on this planet.

The ice dam formed and burst some 40 times.

I don't buy this Grand Canyon formation theory though. There should be some heavy evidence of a flood of such magnitude many miles below the dam location such as plunge pools and ripples.

Also assuming that the elevation of the river bed above and below the dam would be about the same you would think that there would be a waterfall where the escaping water first gouged the river bed below the breech.

12 posted on 07/20/2002 7:03:41 PM PDT by Mike Darancette
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To: Rebelbase
Thanks for the pictures. It is interesting to go see the site of the original Lake Missoula, which extends from Flathead Lake south beyond the city of Missoula in Montana. Another interesting thing is how similar the valley of the Clark Fork near Thompson Falls Montana is to the Columbia Gorge in the Hood River to Cascade Locks vicinity.
13 posted on 07/20/2002 7:22:50 PM PDT by Sicvee
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"We don't have enough hard-core evidence to prove it one way or the other,"

They don't really know squat, except they are SURE it wasn't Noah's flood. Another example of our tax dollars at waste.

14 posted on 07/20/2002 7:55:44 PM PDT by aimhigh
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To: Mike Darancette
When the natural lava dam failed, it unleashed 15 million cubic feet of water per second -- 37 times larger than the biggest Mississippi River flood -- helping to carve the lower canyon.

Like you, I am skeptical of this theory. The Mississippi River flood of the late sixties covered much of Miss., La. and some other states. I remember seeing water as far as the eye could see from 35,00 ft. A lake with 37 times that much water would have covered quite and area, too much IMO to be contained by a dam at one end.

15 posted on 07/20/2002 8:30:58 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
35,000 ft.
16 posted on 07/20/2002 8:32:16 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot
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To: aimhigh
For inquiring minds, that are open and willing to consider all possibilities I offer the following article:

Grand Canyon

Canyon Creation

17 posted on 07/20/2002 9:33:14 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: Mike Darancette
The ice dam formed and burst some 40 times.

Talking to myself I say it was lake Missoula that formed some 40 times.

Lake Bonneville had nothing to do with an ice dam. Appx 17,000 years ago the lake reached the level of Red Rock Pass (5,220') in S. Idaho and wore it down about 375 feet in 1 year.

The leftover is the Great Salt Lake and given enough rain Lake Bonneville could form again.

18 posted on 07/20/2002 10:09:07 PM PDT by Mike Darancette
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
. A lake with 37 times that much water would have covered quite and area, too much IMO to be contained by a dam at one end.

Why not? It doesn't matter how much water is in there, just how deep it is and how wide the chokepoint is.

19 posted on 07/20/2002 10:15:17 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: LiteKeeper
I would suggest a source other than Answer's In Genesis if you want to be taken seriously.
20 posted on 07/20/2002 10:16:37 PM PDT by JediGirl
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