Evidence for Major Impact Events in the late Third Millennium BC

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[altair]

A single event like this or a super volcano will do more damage to the world than the US has or could ever do. In the blink of an eye.

Yup.

[medved]

You might want to check this thread, and see if it looks like I'm the "last Velikovskian" on FR, much less in the world...

[Lancey Howard]

I love this stuff.

Me, too.
Bookmarked.

[Smokin' Joe]

I love this stuff, too!

I do not have much of my library handy, so I'll ask if there are Western Hemisphere cataclysms in the same general time frame. Impacts or extreme volcanism should have some global effect, unlike my old Lincoln....

As a result, cataclysm on a grand scale should impact civilizations worldwide. When did the Anasazi check out? What was going on in MesoAmerica at the time? You may find supporting evidence there.

[Smokin' Joe]

Hey! The Yellowstone caldera magma pool is getting its bulge back, who knows? That one made St Helens look like a very small firecracker...

[medved]

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		SIS Conference 2002 Ages Still in Chaos An investigation into progress made in the revision of ancient history since 1952, and possible ways ahead 13 - 15 September 2002, London

Introduction

The conference marks the Golden Jubilee of the publication in 1952 of Ages in Chaos by Dr Immanuel Velikovsky and acknowledges the Golden Jubilee of the publication in the same year of Professor W F Libby's work on radiocarbon dating.

It will bring together both academics and laymen who have contributed to, or have an interest in, the controversy resulting from Velikovsky's claim that the chronology of the ancient world is hundreds of years shorter than hitherto thought. Also attending will be those who, while agreeing that a shortening of chronology is necessary, consider that the one proposed by Velikovsky is untenable in one respect or another.

Velikovsky was the first person in recent times to suggest that the dates ascribed to Egyptian New Kingdom dynasties were incorrect and that they should be dated centuries later. Once this is done new and intriguing connections can be made between the Old Testament record and Egyptian history and another advantage of this down-dating is to remove enigmatic dark ages from many of the cultures that were in contact with Egypt. Although his revision of chronology has not been generally accepted, this approach has been very productive and stimulating for other researchers and some have subsequently gone on to propose alternative lowered chronologies.

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Papers and Contributors

Saturday 14th September 2002

• Introduction, Prof. Trevor Palmer
• Scientific Dating Problems, David Salkeld
• Evidence for Shortening Egyptian History, Bob Porter
• The Historical Evidence in the el-Amarna Letters, J Eric Aitchison
• Testing Time, David Rohl
• The Lion Gate at Mycenae, plus Ramesses II and Archaic Greek Sculpture, Prof. Lewis M Greenberg
• Scientific Foundations of Ancient Near Eastern Chronologies, Charles Ginenthal

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Sunday 15th September 2002

• Finding The Limits of Chronological Revision, Dr John J Bimson
• Stratigraphy and Radically Shortened Chronologies, Prof. Gunnar Heinsohn
• Velikovsky, Glasgow and Heinsohn Combined, Emmet Sweeney
• AD Ages in Chaos: A Russian Point of View, Dr Eugen Gabowitsch
• Implications for Chronology if Certain 'Historical' Characters are Mythological, Ev Cochrane

After each speaker, time will be allocated for discussion.
Information about each contributor can be found below.

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Attendance

• The conference is open to non-members of the SIS on a daily basis and costs given below include attendance morning and afternoon refreshments plus lunch. The latest booking date for non-members is 31st July.

• SIS Members may attend on a daily, or residential basis at reduced costs and 31st August is the deadline for receipt of payment for day attendance only bookings. For bookings requiring accommodation, 31st July is the deadline for receipt of payment.

  Details on joining the SIS can be found here.

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Costs

• Payment in Sterling should be drawn on a bank in the UK
• Payment in Dollars should be drawn on a bank in the USA.

Day's Attendance	Sterling	Dollar
Saturday or Sunday	£51.00	$78.00
Both Saturday and Sunday	£90.00	$137.00

Booking

To book for either or both days, send your remittance to the address below. If booking for one day only please be sure to state which day you want to attend. Bookings in writing only please, to:

SIS Conference 2002
10 Witley Green
Darley Heights
Stopsley
Beds LU2 8TR

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About the Contributors

• J Eric Aitchison is a long-standing Australian member and contributor to the SIS. His interest in Velikovsky began in 1967. He is now working on his theory that the Habiru were the Assyrians under Tiglath Pileser III and Sargon II.
• Dr John J Bimson has been a member of and contributor to SIS since its earliest days. He is the author of Redating the Exodus and Conquest, based on his PhD research into the archaeological setting of the Israelite entry into Canaan.
• Ev Cochrane, an American teacher of cultural anthropology, is the author of Martian Metamorphoses: The Planet Mars in Ancient Myth and Religion and The Many Faces of Venus and has published many articles on mythology and archaeoastronomy.
• Dr Eugen Gabowitsch works at a nuclear research centre and is a leading proponent in Germany of revised AD chronology.
• Charles Ginenthal is the author of Carl Sagan and Immanuel Velikovsky, Stephen Jay Gould and Immanuel Velikovsky and The Extinction of the Mammoth and has contributed articles to Aeon. He is Editor-in-Chief of The Velikovskian and is currently working on the scientific basis of chronology.
• Prof. Lewis M Greenberg is Professor of Ancient and Oriental Art history at the Moore College of Art & Design in Philadelphia. He was Associated Editor of the journal Pensee, and Editor-in-Chief of Kronos for 12 years; he contributed material to both publications as well as to Science, Astronomy, Biblical Archaeology Review, SIS Review and Kronos.
• Prof. Gunnar Heinsohn's publication list exceeds more than 400 titles, including contributions to SIS and the special SIS edition, Ghost Empires of the Past -- Did the Sumerians ever really Exist? Since 1984 he has been a tenured Professor at the Universität Bremen where he is now director of the Raphael-Lemkin-Institut für Xenophobie und Genozidforschung.
• Prof. Trevor Palmer is Professor of Life Sciences and Senior Dean at the Nottingham Trent University. He is the author of Controversy: Catastrophism and Evolution - The Ongoing Debate and numerous articles in SIS publications on evolution and catastrophism. He has been a member of SIS Council since 1986 and is currently ex-officio Chairman.
• Bob Porter has an M.Sc. in engineering, was for some time a member of the SIS editorial team, and presently contributes a regular feature on "Recent Developments in Near Eastern Archaeology" to C&C Review.
• David Rohl is the author of A Test of Time and Legend and is the Chairman of the Institute for the Study of Interdisciplinary Sciences, and Archaeology Correspondent for The Express newspaper. His initial work on a revision of chronology, co-authored with Peter James, first appeared in SIS publications.
• David Salkeld holds a B.Sc. in physics from Bristol University. Following a full career as an electrical engineering officer in the Royal Air Force, he spent 13 years as a systems engineer with British Aerospace. He is a former Treasurer and Chairman of the SIS and keen researcher into biblical history.
• Emmet Sweeney has an M.A. in Early Modern History and teaches in London. He is a member of the SIS council and is the author of several books on chronological revisions, including The Genesis of Israel and Egypt, The Pyramid Age, The Neo-Assyrians and Persians, Ramessides, Medes and Persians and The Lost History of Ireland. His latest book is Arthur and Stonehenge (Britain's Lost History).

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See also

• Previous SIS Events
• The Revision of Ancient History - A Perspective by P John Crowe
• Biography of Willard Frank Libby at the Nobel Foundatin
• About Dr Immanuel Velikovsky

[blam]

"Years ago I read a book called "Plagues and Peoples". one of the things that the author pointed out was that a healthy population recovers from a plague, stuff like food, warm clothing, and enought fuel contributes to the health of a population."

Yup. I read (somewhere, I think in the 1491 article) last night that greater than 50% of the worlds food supply today is dependent on plant crops that originated in the Americas. The discovery of the Americas caused a population explosion in Europe.

[blam]

"Could be right the ejecta path ended up in SE Asia Minor and Thera is North East of Crete."

The plume from Thera would need to be 30 miles high to have been seen in Egypt. The recent Pinatubo(sp) volcano in the Phillipines was 26 miles high. Ejecta from the 1628BC Thera explosion has been confirmed to have covered Egypt.

[blam]

"That was an interesting link. Thanks."

Check out Mike Baillie's book, Exodus To Arthur, if you're really interested.

[Little Bill]

The discovery of the Americas caused a population explosion in Europe.

The first effect was to enlarge the diet. The main effect; was American Food could feed a family on a small area of ground, took a couple of hundred years to get around. Kinda brings us up to the End of the Little Ice Age.

[blam]

"I do not have much of my library handy, so I'll ask if there are Western Hemisphere cataclysms in the same general time frame. Impacts or extreme volcanism should have some global effect, unlike my old Lincoln...."

Check out this link.

Going Into The Water: A Survey Of Impact Events And The Coastal Peoples Of The South-East North America, The Caribbean, and Central America

[NukeMan]

I think Clube & Napier have a new book due next year:

Catastrophes and Comets: The Destroyers of Cosmic Faith (World Scientific Series in Astronomy and Astrophysics , Vol 3)

Its publishing has been delayed a couple of times now....

[blam]

Did Asteroids & Comets Turn The Tides Of Civilization?

[blam]

"I think Clube & Napier have a new book due next year:"

Clube & Napier's 1991 book, Cosmic Winter is still a good read.

[blam]

"Kinda brings us up to the End of the Little Ice Age."

Yup. (Little Ice Age, 1300-1855). The potato was imported to Europe from the Americas. Note the effect on the Irish of the 1850's potato blight in Ireland, 1.5 million starved and about the same number survived by immigrating to America.

[blam]

"Kinda brings us up to the End of the Little Ice Age."

The September front page article of Discover magazine explains how we could slip into another Little Ice Age as soon as two years from now.

[andy_card]

One of the reasons that the population of Europe was hit so hard by the Black Plague was that is was not healthy, there was a shortage of most of the above. Then after the plague hit the Little Ice age set in which reduced the area under cultivation, took centuries to recover.

The plague first hit Europe in 1348, and returned every few decades for several hundred years. In that time, the Renaissance began in Northern Italy and spread to France and the low countries. If that isn't recovering, I don't know what is. Hell, the Decameron perhaps the most important work of fiction since the fall of the Western Empire, was written by Boccacio in the countryside around Florence, as the plague decimated its inhabitants. The Plague saved Europe, by concentrating its weakth and by upsetting its parasitic social fabric.

[andy_card]

Hey! The Yellowstone caldera magma pool is getting its bulge back, who knows? That one made St Helens look like a very small firecracker...

In only 150,000 years or so, we may have a good-sized problem on our hands. Uh oh...

[blam]

For thousands of years people have spread out all over the globe then we have a worldwide catastrophic event (see tree rings), people from everywhere are exiled all over the earth and all connections are lost and forgotten.
Then a few hundred or a thousand years later when humanity recovers from the disaster, a new wave of explorers begins again and rediscovers these exiled people. (Who by then have no idea where they came from)

The one thing that all explorers 'find' during their explorations, every where they go, every time, are, more people. (Many of them with similar customs, legends and myths.)

[andy_card]

You might want to check this thread, and see if it looks like I'm the "last Velikovskian" on FR, much less in the world...

Most people believe that catastrophes have often been significant in forming and destroying civilizations, and have been to blame for several mass extinctions. That's not quite the same thing as saying that catastrophes are the central means by which all change occurs, or that the Earth once orbited Saturn.