Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Dinosaur Trees Discovered In China
IOL ^ | 2-12-2003

Posted on 02/14/2003 8:16:06 PM PST by blam

Dinosaur trees discovered in China

February 12 2003 at 05:33PM

Beijing - Chinese botanists have discovered a rare tree fern in central China which has survived since the era when dinosaurs dominated the earth, the official Xinhua news agency said.

The wild alsophila trees, numbering nearly 30 000, were discovered in Miping township in the Funiu Mountain area in southwestern Henan province.

Some of the trees are over 500 years old with a circumference so great that it requires seven people to join hands to encircle them.

It was the first time that such a large number of the trees have been found in China, according to Zhou Zhichun, a professor with the Chinese Research Institute of Forestry (CRIF).

The alsophila tree, one of earth's earliest known plants, is regarded as a "living fossil". The tree is very valuable in the study of the formation and geographical distribution of plant species, experts said.

The trees yield a substance widely used in treating various cardiovascular and cerebrovascular diseases and in making cosmetics, Xinhua said.

Its properties have shown to be effective in retarding the ageing process of the skin.

The research institute which works under the supervision of the CRIF and the local government plans to develop the use of the trees. - Sapa-AFP


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; dinosaur; discovered; trees

1 posted on 02/14/2003 8:16:06 PM PST by blam
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: blam
[Its properties have shown to be effective in retarding the ageing process of the skin.]

Best this kind of info isn't widely publicized, or there will be 30,000 - 30,000 = 0 trees left next year.

2 posted on 02/14/2003 8:21:03 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: blam
Do they all look like Algore?
3 posted on 02/14/2003 8:33:38 PM PST by Paul Atreides
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
Best this kind of info isn't widely publicized, or there will be 30,000 - 30,000 = 0 trees left next year.

I suspect it would be kind of like the Silphium or giant fennel plant known in Ancient Greek and Roman times to be a very effective contraceptive. It grew wild in the eastern part of the Empire and was harvested to extinction. It is the reason that although Rome was known for uninhibited sex, there are not many accounts of women having 10-12 children like women did even as late as the 19th Century.

4 posted on 02/14/2003 8:38:32 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty" not the "Statue of Security.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: FreedomCalls
"It is the reason that although Rome was known for uninhibited sex, there are not many accounts of women having 10-12 children like women did even as late as the 19th Century."

I didn't know that. Thanks.

5 posted on 02/14/2003 8:48:34 PM PST by blam
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: blam
later
6 posted on 02/14/2003 8:48:59 PM PST by LiteKeeper
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: blam
"Its properties have shown to be effective in retarding the ageing process of the skin."

Sounds like the beginning of a chinese health food scam!

7 posted on 02/14/2003 9:12:02 PM PST by SwinneySwitch (LIBERATE IRAQ; SUPPORT OUR TROOPS!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: blam
I've noticed that, in the last few months, as China gets richer, bolder, and comes out of its "isolationist" shell as a world player, it has been "discovering" things at a nazi-like pace. Last week it was a flying dinosaur. This week it is prehistoric ferns. The Nazis did sort of the same thing in the '30s. I think it is going to turn into "Communist Revisionist Propaganda Material" something along the lines of "Vee found proof zat ze people of Germany are descendants of ze people of Atlantas"

The question is, should I be as skeptical as I am?

8 posted on 02/14/2003 9:20:55 PM PST by Captainpaintball (Where did my tagline go?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Captainpaintball
"The question is, should I be as skeptical as I am?"

It may be too early to say that yet. They are 'discovering' a lot of things lately. I follow the archaeological news from China and you just see a fraction of the news. There seems to be 2-3 items in the news daily. I think it is a shift in attitude in China....and perhaps some prosperity.

The history of west central China will eventually suprise many. It was Caucasian 5-6 thousand years ago. I'm almost convinced that the Xiongnu were closely related to the Scythians. (If not the same people)

9 posted on 02/14/2003 9:41:56 PM PST by blam
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Captainpaintball
In Search Of Origins
10 posted on 02/14/2003 9:51:00 PM PST by blam
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: FreedomCalls
There is a theory that these herbs could have been used as contraceptives. Even the Salon article on the subject leaves a lot of "ifs" in that theory. Remember that a lot of people want to believe in ancient contraception and abortion so that they can argue it is "natural" in modern times. There are a lot of other explanations for smaller Roman families, not the least of which was that fathers could reject children they didn't want and they'd be "exposed" in the woods (even then, remember that the names "Octavius" and "Octavia" refer to an 8th child). Indeed, infanticide was big enough in the Roman world that (A) Tacitus commented on it unfavorably when he discussed the Germans (who didn't kill their children) and (B) a sewer has been uncovered with around a hundred infant skeletons. Not so neat and tidy as contraceptives. As for the low birth rates among hunter- gatherers, besides infanticide, breast feeding children until very late (e.g., 5 or 6) reduces fertility.

I think it is safe to say that if these herbs were really as safe an effective as many of the proponents claim they were, people would still be using them or, at the very least, drug companies would be investigating them. The alternative is to realize that there is a reason why life expectancy was so low until very recently.

11 posted on 02/15/2003 12:29:03 AM PST by Question_Assumptions (``)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: FreedomCalls
As a quick aside, the Salon article mentions Hippocrates in association with the herb you mention. Hippocrates was notably anti-abortion and pessaries are prohibited in the full Hippocratic Oath. This most likely wasn't because (as the pro-choice rationalization suggest) abortions were dangerous to women but most likely because of a philosphical view of pregnancy and life. This is clearly mentioned in the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision, which few people seem to ever bother to read. From Roe v. Wade:

Why did not the authority of Hippocrates dissuade abortion practice in his time and that of Rome? The late Dr. Edelstein provides us with a theory:(16) The Oath was not uncontested even in Hippocrates' day; only the Pythagorean school of philosophers frowned upon the related act of suicide. Most Greek thinkers, on the other hand, commended abortion, at least prior to viability. See Plato, Republic, V, 461; Aristotle, Politics, VII, 1335b 25. For the Pythagoreans, however, it was a matter of dogma. For them the embryo was animate from the moment of conception, and abortion meant destruction of a living being. The abortion clause of the Oath, therefore, "echoes Pythagorean doctrines," [p132] and "[i]n no other stratum of Greek opinion were such views held or proposed in the same spirit of uncompromising austerity."

If this is true, then I think there is some question about whether Hippocrates would prescribe it.

12 posted on 02/15/2003 12:38:37 AM PST by Question_Assumptions (``)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: blam
I wonder why the tree stopped evolving? (running to hide)
13 posted on 02/15/2003 8:42:12 AM PST by the-ironically-named-proverbs2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: the-ironically-named-proverbs2
I wonder why the tree stopped evolving? (running to hide)

No incentives in a communist system???

14 posted on 02/15/2003 8:48:36 AM PST by null and void
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Captainpaintball
...should I be as skeptical as I am?....

Perhaps not.

I would argue that there have been scientific discoveries in China all along but they were kept secret from the communists with no scientific curosity or the communists would not allow dissemination.

The announcement is an indication that some freedom has come to China, not that scientists have begun to appear.

15 posted on 02/15/2003 8:53:08 AM PST by bert
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: FreedomCalls
I suspect it would be kind of like the Silphium or giant fennel plant known in Ancient Greek and Roman times to be a very effective contraceptive.

So it wasn't an asteroid but 'birth control ferns' that did the dinosaurs in?;-)

16 posted on 02/15/2003 8:55:12 AM PST by StriperSniper (Start heating the TAR, I'll go get the FEATHERS.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Question_Assumptions
Thanks for the excellent discussion. I haven't read the Salon article. Do you have a link? I need to read it before they go belly up at the end of the month. The giant fennel went extinct in late Roman times and was very rare before that so there's not anything left to investigate I guess. You are very learned and knowledgeable and I would like to learn more. The ancient world is just fascinating to me. Thanks.
17 posted on 02/15/2003 10:38:40 AM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty" not the "Statue of Security.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: FreedomCalls
The Salon article is here. It is important to note how weak a lot of the arguments are (The plant appeared on coins? So what? We've got bald eagles on our coins but that neither makes them the cornerstone of our economy nor a contraceptive.).

It is possible that these plants had contraceptive qualities. One can most certainly use certain poisonous plants to induce abortions. But I largely wanted to point out that these theories are often overstated as part of the pro-abortion anti-family agenda of the left. It is also possible that these plants had other valuable effects (consider the value of stimulants, chocolate, and Viagra, even though none of these make you high and none of them are contraceptives). The author is picking the explanation that they like best.

18 posted on 02/15/2003 11:14:00 AM PST by Question_Assumptions (``)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson