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Leaving Central NY was a popular decision
© 2003 The Post-Standard. ^ | August 06, 2003 | By James T. Mulder

Posted on 08/06/2003 5:26:30 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines

People moved out of Central New York at the third-highest rate in the nation between 1995 and 2000, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.

People leaving Onondaga, Madison, Oswego and Cayuga counties outnumbered those moving in by 31,851 during the five-year period. That represents 4.6 percent of the region's population over age 5. Only two other major metropolitan areas - Honolulu and El Paso, Texas - lost larger percentages of their populations to migration.

Those are some of the findings contained in a bureau report analyzing the nation's migration patterns. The report, released today, is based on the 2000 Census, which asked residents for the first time if they had moved during the previous five years.

People poured out of the Northeast at a greater rate than any other part of the country. New York saw the biggest exodus, losing 874,248 between 1995 and 2000. The South gained more people through migration. Florida, Georgia and North Carolina were top destinations for people on the move.

The report's findings closely mirror trends reported in previous migration studies based on Internal Revenue Service statistics that track the movement of taxpayers. Today's numbers are based on the households that responded to the Census 2000 long form. Nationally, about one out of every six housing units was included in this sample.

"New York state has been sending people to the rest of the country for at least three decades and the principal reason is the stagnation of the economy, especially in Upstate New York," said John Logan, a SUNY Albany professor who is an expert on migration.

The exodus of native New Yorkers in the New York City area is being offset by an influx of immigrants, Logan said.

That's not happening Upstate, according to Logan.

"On the whole, Upstate has been unsuccessful in attracting immigration from the Caribbean or Latin America or Asia," he said. "The best hope for Upstate New York is to become more attractive to immigrants so it can replace the native population that is leaving."

Only 9,118 of the people who moved into Central New York between 1995 and 2000 arrived from another country. They represent 1.33 percent of the population over age 5. Only 12 of the nation's 79 biggest metro areas had smaller influxes of immigrants. In the New York City area, by comparison, recent immigrants made up nearly 5 percent of the population.

In 2000, the region had a total population of 732,117, of whom 685,852 were over age 5.

Recent migration statistics from the IRS suggest the flow of people out of Central New York lessened considerably in 2002. Those numbers showed the annual net loss of people from migration fell to 1,800 last year, down from a peak of 8,000 in 1997.

"The hemorrhaging has slowed," said William Frey, a demographer at the Brookings Institution in Washington, D.C. "Maybe people decided to stay put since the economy wasn't heating up in other places that had been attracting people away."

Frey said most people move for job opportunities. "The young people . . . tend to go where the action is, and the Southeast is where the employment action has been," he said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: bluezone; exodus; migration; redzone; stagnation; trends
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most people move for job opportunities. "The young people . . . tend to go where the action is, and the Southeast is where the employment action has been,"

And, yet, New York continues to strangle business in red tape and high taxes.

Sigh...

John Logan, a SUNY Albany professor who is an expert on migration [said] "The best hope for Upstate New York is to become more attractive to immigrants so it can replace the native population that is leaving."

Wha?!?!

Nothing against immigrants, but unless there are jobs here, what does this college professor expect them to do?

Wait. I know. Vote Democrat.

1 posted on 08/06/2003 5:26:31 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: governsleastgovernsbest; LibKill; gaspar; bentfeather; NativeNewYorker; drjimmy; Atticus; ...
Upstate NY ping
2 posted on 08/06/2003 5:27:33 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
This has been an ongoing tragedy fostered by the politicians, and the limited vision of many key business execs who did not see inevitable change coming. I'm thinking mainly Kodak and Xerox here...
3 posted on 08/06/2003 5:33:50 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Dems lie 'cause they have to...)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Wait. I know. Vote Democrat.

And help the Hildabeast.

4 posted on 08/06/2003 5:34:30 AM PDT by Soaring Feather
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
I left last year and went to Virginia. There is so much construction work going on, I would have stayed cept I didn't wantto raise my kids in that racist atmosphere.

I was offered a job back in Buffalo and moved back 3 months ago. I wonder when and if the politicos will ever get it. They are killing the businesses here with all the regulations, taxes etc.....
5 posted on 08/06/2003 5:39:01 AM PDT by The Mayor (Psalms 118:8 (NKJV) -- "It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.")
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To: The Mayor
I was offered a job back in Buffalo and moved back 3 months ago. I wonder when and if the politicos will ever get it. They are killing the businesses here with all the regulations, taxes etc.....

I doubt they'll ever get it. Look at the way they handled this year's budget: tax increases all around.

6 posted on 08/06/2003 5:42:26 AM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Upstae NY can be attractive...........

If you are an Eskimo!

I left Rochester, NY. in 1998. The economy, snow, taxes, draconian gun laws, a Mayor blaming ctime on everthing else but the perp, my ex-Rep. in Congress-- the filthy Louise Slaughter, George Pataki the Govenor flipped like a pole shift and the limosine liberal were just too much to take.

Good riddance NY State.

7 posted on 08/06/2003 5:46:59 AM PDT by RIGHT IN SEATTLE
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To: RIGHT IN SEATTLE
Upstae=Upstate, sorry
8 posted on 08/06/2003 5:48:08 AM PDT by RIGHT IN SEATTLE
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To: Pharmboy
I'm thinking mainly Kodak and Xerox here...

Both of which are in Monroe County (Western NY) - instead think IBM - their downsizing had a huge impact in the Elmira NY area

9 posted on 08/06/2003 5:49:03 AM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: Revelation 911
instead think IBM - their downsizing had a huge impact in the Elmira NY area

Elmira?

10 posted on 08/06/2003 5:51:09 AM PDT by b4its2late (What happens if you get scared half to death twice?)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
This is such crap. They are leaving due to several things, not the least of which is the fact that this dictatorial state is menace to its citizens by way of ridiculous law.

There is no such thing as private property here.

There is no 2nd Amendment here.

There is no relif from taxation unless you actively fight to get it.

There is no say in state government as 3 people run the state and the two senators will never be accessable to you.

There is poor planning in business here and what planning there centers on how the state can charge the business of this state for everything all the while making the poepl who work for them think they are getting a better deal when r4eally all they do ius chase business out of the state due to cumbersomb laws that restrict their ability to even make a good profit.

and on..and on..and on..and on..and on
11 posted on 08/06/2003 5:52:03 AM PDT by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
PS., I now live in the meanest city in America......

Las Vegas

I love the heat and don't have to shovel it.

12 posted on 08/06/2003 5:52:43 AM PDT by RIGHT IN SEATTLE
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To: The Mayor
...I didn't wantto raise my kids in that racist atmosphere.

Not that I'm agreeing or disagreeing with your assessment, but what caused you to believe Virginia is more racist than New York?

13 posted on 08/06/2003 5:53:54 AM PDT by WestPacSailor (All Your Base Are Belong To Us)
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To: RIGHT IN SEATTLE
I love the heat and don't have to shovel it.

I grew up outside of Phoenix and couldn't agree with you more. Shorts on Christmas and haven't ever had to shovel a winter rain storm.

14 posted on 08/06/2003 5:55:58 AM PDT by WestPacSailor (All Your Base Are Belong To Us)
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To: RIGHT IN SEATTLE
If you are an Eskimo!

you refer of course to the 9 mos winter, month and a half of spring (rain), 1 week of summer (100 degrees @ 100% humidity), & a month and a half of autumn (50mph nonstop winds)

It grows on you like a migrane

The chicken wings, apples, venison and Fall (in grape country) are the only things that keep me

.......and youre right about the mayor

15 posted on 08/06/2003 5:56:03 AM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: Revelation 911
I'm actually visiting Roch. 8-14 to 21 Pig roast and biz.

Bringing 60 lbs. of Zweigle pop open on return flight to LV.

16 posted on 08/06/2003 6:00:57 AM PDT by RIGHT IN SEATTLE
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To: ICE-FLYER
One of my more favorite recent stories about how bad things are in NY is the story of some legislation which miraculously died in the State legislature.

One of the more liberal members (I've heard a couple of different reports on who) recently proposed that residents who own their home be taxed on the amount of money they pay toward the principal on their mortgage. The thought was that by owning their own home, citizens were actually paying themselves rent, and that money should be taxed by the state as rental income.

As for me, I sold my home in Westchester, and I'm moving to NJ. The gun laws may be strict but not too much worse than NY, and I simply can't afford the taxes in an area where the average teacher's salary is $84,000 per year like it is in Westchester.

One day soon, either NJ or CT is going to figure out that if they lower their taxes enough they can pull all the business from the city and that will be the end of it.

17 posted on 08/06/2003 6:02:52 AM PDT by tcostell
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
As you know, I left Endicott NY in 1996 for NC after college in Buffalo NY. I have no regrets, love it here and it would take an act of God to get me to move back.

"On the whole, Upstate has been unsuccessful in attracting immigration from the Caribbean or Latin America or Asia," he said. "The best hope for Upstate New York is to become more attractive to immigrants so it can replace the native population that is leaving."

WRONG! NY needs to cut taxes, reduce regulation, and make NY (especially upstate) more business friendly. Soon the upstate area, especially Broome and surronding counties is going to be left with nothing but the elderly and be a giant medicare community.

Recent migration statistics from the IRS suggest the flow of people out of Central New York lessened considerably in 2002. Those numbers showed the annual net loss of people from migration fell to 1,800 last year, down from a peak of 8,000 in 1997.

Those who were going to leave have left, and the major employers such as IBM have already moved everybody out. There is no one left to leave!

18 posted on 08/06/2003 6:23:39 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: The Mayor
I was offered a job back in Buffalo and moved back 3 months ago.

I grew up in Endicott NY and graduated from Buff State in 1996. 3 days after graduating I packed up and moved to Raleigh NC. Have not been back to Buffalo since. I read the Buffalo News almost everyday and laugh at the idiocy, ignorance, and absolute love of and dependence on government. The proposals I see put forward to "revitalize" the area are more than laughable.

19 posted on 08/06/2003 6:25:35 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: RIGHT IN SEATTLE
I left Rochester, NY in 2001. The economy, snow, taxes, draconian gun laws, a Mayor blaming crime on everthing else but the perp, my ex-Rep. in Congress-- the filthy Louise Slaughter -- and the final straw was when Clinton was coronated.
20 posted on 08/06/2003 6:28:20 AM PDT by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999!)
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