[Sabatier]

The Californians are cashing out and moving to surrounding states and bringing their suburban lifestyle with them. Meanwhile the Mexicans, legals and illegals, are taking over the urban areas, such that places like Phoenix, Las Vegas, and other Southwestern cities look exactly like California cities. The only difference so far is that these other states are more conservative fiscally and haven't yet turned themselves into welfare states like California did. That's why I agree, Washington State is very liberal, at least in Seattle and Olympia, and in danger of ending up like California. It's not just the fault of local government when things start to go wrong, either. During a recent trip to a Social Security office in Arizona, 80% of the people appeared to be Hispanic. Once the local governments become dependent on the Feds for handouts, the Feds regulate more and more and the local governments have less and less to say about how they manage their states. It's what happened in California and it will happen in these other states, too, with Washington State leading the way.

[Treebeard]

Agreed. It's the "dogcrap in the brownies" analogy, on a larger scale. By that, I mean, the tendency, whether intentional or not, if the illegals come from a third world $hithole, is to bring as much of the $hithole with them as they can.

Unfortunately, it seems California politicians (not most Californians) are unwilling or unable to see $hit and call it $hit. It's diversity, humanitarian, world citizenship, call it whatever, it has doomed California.