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Since when is right and wrong open to debate?
TownHall.com ^ | 8/20/03 | Armstrong Williams

Posted on 08/19/2003 11:50:43 PM PDT by kattracks

Five years ago, a conference of Episcopalian church leaders flatly declared that the homosexual lifestyle was in direct violation of biblical scriptures. Therefore, they reasoned, it would be wrong to seat an openly gay bishop. In just the short time since, the homosexual agenda has inundated the culture, and the Bible has been tossed out on its axis.

Exhibit A - the recent votes by the Episcopal Church USA to endorse an openly gay man as bishop and to give the dioceses the option of blessing same-sex unions. The change is so pervasive as to separate the church from the very scriptures it was created to uphold. Already the decision is dividing the American church from the more conservative Anglican community throughout the world. A Ripple effect can be felt throughout all organized religion, which will no doubt have to address similar concerns in the near future.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: armstrongwilliams; biblebashing; downourthroats; fallout; homosexualagenda; homosexualbishop
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1 posted on 08/19/2003 11:50:43 PM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Since when is right and wrong open to debate?

Since, like, forever.

2 posted on 08/20/2003 12:09:39 AM PDT by jlogajan
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To: kattracks; american colleen; sinkspur; Lady In Blue; Salvation; Polycarp; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; ...
In this day and age, any preacher who explains to his congregation that homosexuality is a sin will have hell to pay from the gay Mafia and the liberal media.

The attack on the Catholic Church has already begun, lead by two recently 'married' gay men, and with plenty of support from their allies.

MARRIED GAY COUPLE TARGETS CATHOLIC CHURCH

3 posted on 08/20/2003 12:15:37 AM PDT by NYer (Laudate Dominum)
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To: kattracks
JESUS once ran into a person who tried to trip him up on the finer points of Old-Testament trivia...Immediatly sensing the direction of the conversation, CHRIST cut it off at the KNEES:

QUOTE: "I am come to give you a NEW law: love your neighbor as yourself!"

SOME of our 'neigbors' are GAY; JESUS never said it would be EASY.....
4 posted on 08/20/2003 12:20:31 AM PDT by Dick Steele ("All my life, I've had just ONE dream: To achieve my many goals." Simpson)
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To: jlogajan
Since liberals found moral relativism.
5 posted on 08/20/2003 12:26:55 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: kattracks
"Since when is right and wrong open to debate?"

This is the very definition of "liberalism." The liberal thinks he has been "liberated" from all absolutes.

Of course, the Word of God is as absolute as one can get.

6 posted on 08/20/2003 12:40:02 AM PDT by nightdriver
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To: kattracks
Next will be that relationships with barnyard animals is a right.
7 posted on 08/20/2003 12:54:17 AM PDT by Concentrate (Unintended consequences are, well, unintended.)
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To: Dick Steele
Newbee Pagan alert!
8 posted on 08/20/2003 12:56:17 AM PDT by Concentrate (Unintended consequences are, well, unintended.)
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To: nightdriver
Absolute, perhaps, but apparently open to "reevaluation," as Rev. Falwell points out in this sermon on divorce:
In a society with a 50% divorce rate, it is my conviction that the church must re-study the Word on this subject. Where we have been too unforgiving, we must reevaluate our position on divorce.

Later in this message, I will make it very clear that we can never change our position on God's ideal, which is one man for one woman for one lifetime.

But, as Christian workers, we are dealing with people where they are, not where they ought to be. We are also dealing with a huge percentage of the population. And since God loves everyone alike, divorced persons included, and since God wants to bring everyone into His family and doesn't want anyone to go to hell, it is imperative that the church learn the biblical approach to reaching 100% of the population with the gospel.

Dealing With Divorce May 7, 2000: Matthew 19:1-12)

In the New Testament, divorce is clearly wrong. But with enough 'reevaluation' it somehow doesn't seem to matter so much anymore.
9 posted on 08/20/2003 1:25:34 AM PDT by Looking for Diogenes
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To: Dick Steele
JESUS once ran into a person who tried to trip him up on the finer points of Old-Testament trivia...Immediatly sensing the direction of the conversation, CHRIST cut it off at the KNEES: QUOTE: "I am come to give you a NEW law: love your neighbor as yourself!" SOME of our 'neigbors' are GAY; JESUS never said it would be EASY.....

Some of my neighbors are shoplifters. They have had this orientation since early in life. Should I tell them that it's OK and that their shoplifting is morally equal to other forms of trade, and recognize that I have no place to suggest that their are any absolute standards? Should I inquire if they are available to teach at my children's Sunday School?

10 posted on 08/20/2003 2:10:52 AM PDT by Huber (Ann Coulter's Treason is a corrective lens to clearly perceive the motivation of the left.)
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To: kattracks
My brother-in-law is a Baptist minister and there has been an ongoing battle in his church by a divorced man who wants to be a deacon. Apparently the scripture clearly states that divorcees can not hold that, or any higher position.

The bottom line is that God's law does not change just because society becomes more accepting of certain behaviors.

If gay bishops are suddenly o-kay, then why not divorced bishops?

This is a slippery slope that man, not God, has opened.

11 posted on 08/20/2003 2:20:02 AM PDT by bjcintennessee
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To: Huber
Should I inquire if they are available to teach at my children's Sunday School?

Ordain them. Let them run the whole place. Don't disturb their self esteem except to enhance it.

12 posted on 08/20/2003 2:28:45 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excessive legislation.)
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To: bjcintennessee
One of the main reasons that some sins cause a person to be "banned" from positions of authority in a church or from church altogether, is to PROTECT others already in the church. To protect them from a bad example who might lead others astray, and to protect them from harm from the individual's behavior. It's a church's right and duty to protect the people in its flock. This demonstrates LOVE. Love Protects (I Corin 13).
13 posted on 08/20/2003 2:31:05 AM PDT by bets
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To: Dick Steele
Jesus NEVER said to accept sin as normal.
14 posted on 08/20/2003 5:26:29 AM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: bjcintennessee
Actually the guy in question is both divorced and gay.
15 posted on 08/20/2003 5:33:04 AM PDT by donmeaker (Bigamy is one wife too many. So is monogamy.)
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To: bjcintennessee
If gay bishops are suddenly o-kay, then why not divorced bishops?

He's gay AND divorced.

16 posted on 08/20/2003 5:33:50 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: donmeaker
You beat me.
17 posted on 08/20/2003 5:34:29 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Dick Steele
How about some scripture reference instead of your "quote"?
18 posted on 08/20/2003 5:37:29 AM PDT by happygrl
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To: donmeaker

19 posted on 08/20/2003 5:37:35 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Looking for Diogenes
One can justify anything, so-long as the only real goal is to convince oneself.
20 posted on 08/20/2003 5:44:22 AM PDT by Woahhs
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