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New Yorkers Fleeing City, State
NY Sun ^ | 9/2/03

Posted on 09/02/2003 10:08:52 AM PDT by areafiftyone

In the case of New York City, that means more people moved away from the five boroughs to another county than moved here, a new report from the Census Bureau shows.

The report — which details countyto-county migration within America from 1995 to 2000 — shows that 1,356,178 moved to elsewhere in America from the city while only 836,461 moved into the city.

Since the report only tallies people who moved from one county to another within the 50 states and the District of Columbia, it does not include people who moved to New York from other countries and American territories.

The county-to-county figures came in the context of figures released last month showing that New York State suffered devastating population losses in the past five years, with the state showing by far the largest net outward migration — 874,248 — of any of the 50 states, ahead even of California, with a loss of 755,536.

The rate at which people are fleeing New York is 48.8 per thousand, nearly twice the rate at which people are escaping California.

New York and California can still show population gains because of immigration from other countries, though the state-to-state flows are an important underlying indicator of a state’s relative attractiveness to other American states.

“The out-migration loss is, in fact, primarily the result of bad public policies — especially high taxes, restrictive housing policies, and high labor costs dictated by unions’ success in driving up the cost of health care and benefits such as workers’ comp,”said an analyst of the Manhattan Institute, E.J. McMahon. “All of this drives up New York’s cost of living and makes it a less hospitable place to do business. The result is less opportunity and more people moving away at the first opportunity.”

The census figures — part of a package released by the bureau in early August — are only starting to find their way into the policy debate.

On Friday, a columnist of the Wall Street Journal, Daniel Henninger, who caught the attention of those who follow the policy debate in the state by writing that the “Census figures make those of us staying in the ‘Empire State’ look like the nation’s biggest saps.”

Of the five boroughs, the only one to show a net gain in migrant population was Staten Island. A total of 56,353 people moved to the island while only 38,947 moved away. And of the people who chose to make Staten Island their new home, most came from Brooklyn — 34,212, according to the report.

People moved to Staten Island from every state in the union except for Arkansas, North Dakota, South Dakota,Vermont, and Wyoming. Staten Island sent people to every state except Montana and Idaho. Staten Island, in some cases, proved to be a more popular destination than some of the other boroughs — usually the Bronx. West Virginia sent 58 people to Staten Island — 13 more than moved to the Bronx while nearly half as many people moved from New Mexico to Staten Island than moved to the Bronx. And when it comes to drawing Vermonters, Staten Island was more attractive than the Bronx and Queens. Staten Island also attracted 112 people from Kansas, more than twice as many as the 48 people who moved to the Bronx.

Of the rest of the boroughs, Manhattan was the one that showed the smallest net loss in migrant population. Manhattan was the new home for 279,151 people from the rest of the country while sending 342,304 people into the world. As expected, Manhattan’s loss was mostly gains for the areas immediately around it. Nearly 102,000 people relocated to one of the other four boroughs from Manhattan; nearly half of those people moved to the Bronx, while another 31,000 or so moved to the suburbs of Nassau, Suffolk, and Westchester counties.

As for sending people outside of the city, Manhattan, like the other boroughs except Staten Island, sent people to every state in the union. Outside of New York State, New Jersey was the choice for most Manhattanites looking for a new place to live, followed by California, Florida, Connecticut, and Massachusetts, and more than 33,000 moved to Manhattan from Nassau, Suffolk, and Westchester.

Queens lost nearly twice as many migrant residents as it took in, according to the report, which details that 361,382 moved out while just 195,895 moved in.

The biggest losses for Queens were to its city neighbor, Brooklyn, where just under 32,000 people decided to move, and to Nassau County, which became the new home for 61,802 people from Queens. When it comes to drawing people from outside the state, Queens was the only borough other than Manhattan to attract people from North Dakota.

When it comes to county-to-county migration, Brooklyn was hit the hardest with nearly twice as many people moving from Brooklyn to another borough as were moving into Brooklyn and nearly three times as many people total migrating out as migrating in. Brooklyn lost nearly 100,000 people to Queens and Staten Island alone while attracting barely 35,000 people from those two boroughs.

The report also shows that the city has the migrant population equivalent of a trade imbalance with several states. Nearly three times as many people moved to New Jersey as moved from New Jersey and more than four times as many people moved to North Carolina as from North Carolina.

There were exceptions: While 2,104 people moved to Wisconsin from New York City, Wisconsin sent 2,608 residents here.

State Senator Martin Golden a Republican of Brooklyn, said outmigration is nothing new for New York.

“New York has always been the port of opportunity. People come and try to make it here, and the people who were here before them move on to other parts of the country.”

He said the poor economy and high taxes were contributing factors, but said generous benefits are also a draw.

He said people tend to move away between the ages of 60 and 65, seeking warmer climates, but then return in their late 70s and 80s.

“They find out the senior services are lacking in other states. And they come back here in droves…to be closer to their families and…for the services. “This is something that’s been going on for years. Would I like to see economic stimulation that could have prevented this? Certainly. Unfortunately that hasn’t happened.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: bluestate; bluezone; exodus
WELL NOW, could it be because of New York's Evil Senator Hillary

SATAN

Clinton???? HMMMMM????

1 posted on 09/02/2003 10:08:53 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone
Fence 'em in, I say. They're a spreading virus.

2 posted on 09/02/2003 10:36:11 AM PDT by jordan8
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To: areafiftyone
I suspect many fled to Right to Work states, in search of better job opportunities afforded by such states. Others moved to states with no state income tax. For obvious reasons. Others may be fleeing the urban environ,traffic, crowds,etc. And a small number may be leaving for "security" reasons.
3 posted on 09/02/2003 10:38:01 AM PDT by donozark
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To: areafiftyone
All those New Yorkers are down here in NC bitching and moaning about how things are so much nicer back home...
4 posted on 09/02/2003 10:41:35 AM PDT by Hatteras (I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize...)
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To: donozark
Well I know that as soon as I pay off my debt and save up enough money I will be moving out of New York State. I work in NYC and now live in Queens. Manhattan is wonderful but way too expensive and I have lived upstate in Westchester and its getting just as expensive as Manhattan. New York really is not good for people unless you are rich!
5 posted on 09/02/2003 10:41:43 AM PDT by areafiftyone (The U.N. needs a good Flush!)
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To: areafiftyone
Well I know that as soon as I pay off my debt and save up enough money I will be moving out of New York State.

I did it. You won't regret it. It's expensive to live where I am now, but unlike NY, there's a future here for me... ;)

6 posted on 09/02/2003 10:51:16 AM PDT by general_re (Today is a day for firm decisions! Or is it?)
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To: Hatteras
I was in Myrtle Beach, SC and Cape Hatteras, NC last week and loved it. I would have no problems living in either state. The people are so friendly and have manners and its so much cheaper to live. My cousins moved to North Carolina from New York and love it so much. But my preference is out west (I have a weakness for the desert) Nevada preferably.
7 posted on 09/02/2003 10:51:34 AM PDT by areafiftyone (The U.N. needs a good Flush!)
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To: Hatteras
All those New Yorkers are down here in NC bitching and moaning about how things are so much nicer back home...

Well then try fixing up the place a little for your guests!

8 posted on 09/02/2003 10:52:33 AM PDT by dead (Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead!)
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To: dead
"Well then try fixing up the place a little for your guests!"

Why? So they'll want to stay?!

9 posted on 09/02/2003 10:58:06 AM PDT by Hatteras (I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize...)
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To: Hatteras
Right answer!!
10 posted on 09/02/2003 2:26:32 PM PDT by doberville (Angels can fly when they take themselves lightly)
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