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SPIRITDAILY: QUESTION OF THE WEEK: WHY DO CLAIMS OF EUCHARISTIC MIRACLES GO UNINVESTIGATED?
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Posted on 11/03/2003 7:55:23 PM PST by narses

 

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QUESTION OF THE WEEK: WHY DO CLAIMS OF EUCHARISTIC MIRACLES GO UNINVESTIGATED?

It seems mysterious, why there are so many reports of Eucharistic miracles and yet so few of them -- virtually none -- made public. There's hardly a region of the U.S. where one has not occurred in the last 15 years, but also not one that has achieved formal ecclesiastic recognition. One example: a Michigan priest named Father Mark A. McQuesten claimed that over the course of a week a Host turned to actual flesh -- as in the famous miracle at Lanciano, Italy. There are other cases of bleeding Hosts or Hosts with miraculous images in Connecticut, Arizona, New Jersey, Texas, New York, and other states.

Through history, there have been dozens of such miracles. To us, most mysterious is a report that in 1995, a Eucharistic minister opened the tabernacle at Our Lady of Mount Carmel Church in Methuen, Massachusetts, and spotted blood on a Host. According to a report, the Host was then sent to a laboratory for analysis. The mystery: where is the Host now? What happened to it? If it is true, why is there so little known about it?

We tried to track this down, but are informed that the parish is no longer a functioning one -- eliminated due to lack of priests and attendance, which sort of adds to the mysterious nature of the alleged phenomenon in the first place. A bleeding Host in a soon-to-be closed church in a diocese about to be torn asunder by scandal! "I checked our diocesan archives, and there was no official investigation of this by the diocese, nor by the Marist Fathers, who were in charge of the church at the time," Father Brian Mahoney, director of the Office for Worship in the Boston archdiocese, informs us. "It's a church that has been suppressed for no reason other than the numbers." He further relates that Father Andrew Gosselin, who was pastor at the time, had heard something "along that line," that there were "some claims made," but that the priest knows very little about it, and that the priest who was most directly involved has since passed on. "There's no official stand on this," says Father Mahoney in conclusion.

Why there was not an investigation is baffling, since such occurrences, before our time, have been rare -- and merited full Church inquiry. Historically, a bleeding or otherwise miraculous Host has been cause for full-scale veneration. Is this another example of a Church that has veered from its mystical roots? Or was it all just a rumor, a bogus miracle, to start with? Claims one correspondent: "A small sample of the crusted blood was sent to the California Laboratory of Forensic Sciences. After several preliminary tests confirmed the presence of blood on August 30, 1995, a crossover electrophoresis was conducted on the sample which unequivocally identified the reddish substance as human blood."

We will be investigating this further. Why would a Host bleed? Another answer may be found in a reported revelation. "The Sacred Heart of my Divine Son is being offended grievously, especially in the Holy Eucharist," the Blessed Mother allegedly told a victim soul in 19th-century Europe. In 1879 she reportedly said that the Sacred Heart was especially wounded by indifference and ungratefulness -- certainly characteristics of our time.

Such messages may also be conveyed with a statue of St. Padre Pio that allegedly has been bleeding in a home in northern California and has been tested by a laboratory and found to be human blood -- with an effort underway now to see if it matches the blood of the saint himself, who left gloves smeared with his stigmatic blood behind.

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1 posted on 11/03/2003 7:55:24 PM PST by narses
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To: GatorGirl; maryz; *Catholic_list; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; Askel5; livius; ...
Ping.
2 posted on 11/03/2003 7:55:59 PM PST by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: narses
Whoa!
When will the blood of the Patre Pio statue be tested? If you find out will you ping me?
3 posted on 11/03/2003 8:10:33 PM PST by netmilsmom ( We are SITCOMs-single income, two kids, oppressive mortgage.)
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To: narses
Why are Tabernacles moved to the side or back of a Church?
Why are Crucifixes taken down?

Actions (or lack of them) speak louder than words.

Evil, simply evil!

But while the investigations are ignored or dropped, the reality of the mystical, extra-ordinary Eucharistic Event isn't changed and the news travels rapidly these days.

I recall reading that Maria Esperanza said Christ is coming to shepherd His Church and He certainly is letting us know of His Suffering.
4 posted on 11/03/2003 8:35:45 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG...to God, all moments in time are present in their immediacy)
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To: narses
I'll tell you why Eucharistic miracles go uninvestigated in Southern CA.

True story.

Back in the early 90's there was a priest in Cardinal Mahony's diocese. He claimed he had a Host which dripped olive oil. Cardinal Mahony said "I don't want that kind of thing in my diocese." The priest was kicked out. Later he applied and was accepted under the jurisdiction of the former Bishop of Sacramento.

This priest was highly controversial himself. Many believed him to be a fraud, others thought he was saintly. I met him, I saw the Eucharist. It looked like someone had put a few drops of olive oil on it. It was not actively dripping. Long story short, the Bishop of Sacramento eventually took this Eucharist and no one heard anything more about it. The priest died in 1997.

I won't name the priest but CA freepers may recognize the story. He had little groups all around the state. While I don't believe in that priest's sanctity and likely not his claim of an Eucharistic miracle, any legitimate miracles in Southern CA don't stand a chance.
5 posted on 11/03/2003 8:39:00 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: narses
The miracle of the Eucharist itself is not enough?

Now, some Catholics need bleeding hosts?

Superstitious nonsense.

6 posted on 11/03/2003 9:29:25 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from a shelter. You will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
**any legitimate miracles in Southern CA don't stand a chance.**

You are so right -- Mahoney would not move his pinky finger to check something out.

BTW, have you read the GIRM that talks about installing kneelers in churches where kneelers do not "yet" exist??

7 posted on 11/03/2003 11:06:36 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Domestic Church
Glad to see that you are here. I was going to ping you.
8 posted on 11/03/2003 11:07:11 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: sinkspur
The miracle of the Eucharist itself is not enough?

Did anyone say that?

Now, some Catholics need bleeding hosts?

Bleeding hosts exist independently of any Catholic's need for them.

The Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano

The Eucharistic Miracle of Orvieto

Why do some Catholics need to dismiss miraculous events?

9 posted on 11/04/2003 4:52:05 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: sinkspur
Superstitious nonsense.

"Lewis believes that Christians must not only accept the reality of miracles, but rejoice in them. He challenges rationalists, agnostics and deists, exposing the philosophical flaws in their reasoning, and offers argument upon argument for the existence of the "supernatural" and the plausibility of miracles."

10 posted on 11/04/2003 5:19:16 AM PST by american colleen
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To: Aquinasfan
Why do some Catholics need to dismiss miraculous events?

Blessed is he who has not seen, but has believed.

11 posted on 11/04/2003 6:10:44 AM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from a shelter. You will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: sinkspur
Yes indeed, but such dismissal of eucharistic miracles as a supernatural aid to faith as yours is a bit alarming.
12 posted on 11/04/2003 6:33:55 AM PST by Pyro7480 (“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: sinkspur
Blessed is he who has not seen, but has believed.

Absolutely right. But on the other hand...

"And the Lord said unto Moses, How long will this people provoke Me? and how long will it be ere they believe Me, for all the signs which I have showed among them?"

13 posted on 11/04/2003 6:37:04 AM PST by american colleen
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To: american colleen
"And the Lord said unto Moses, How long will this people provoke Me? and how long will it be ere they believe Me, for all the signs which I have showed among them?"

Most claims of "miracles" are not miracles at all, and are not certified by the Church.

Unfortunately, in looking for the big miracles, we tend to miss all the little ones that are part of our mundane, every day lives.

14 posted on 11/04/2003 6:38:44 AM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from a shelter. You will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: Pyro7480
Yes indeed, but such dismissal of eucharistic miracles as a supernatural aid to faith as yours is a bit alarming.

Does a bleeding host signify that Christ is more present there than in a non-bleeding host?

And, what happens to those who are drawn to the bleeding host when the bleeding stops?

Is it the bleeding, or is it the Eucharistic Presence that they are attracted to?

15 posted on 11/04/2003 6:45:44 AM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from a shelter. You will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: sinkspur
Well, the least the bishops could do is investigate them and either officially declare them superstition, but no, they won't even do that.

And why should it matter how big the miracle is? If it's a miracle, it's a miracle. They usually don't happen to celebrities, either.
16 posted on 11/04/2003 6:47:48 AM PST by Desdemona (Kempis' Imitation of Christ online! http://www.leaderu.com/cyber/books/imitation/imitation.html)
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To: sinkspur
Does a bleeding host signify that Christ is more present there than in a non-bleeding host?

No, it doesn't. But the continuing eucharistic miracle at Laciano originally manifested itself because of a growing disbelief in the Real Presence. How many "Catholics" these days don't believe in the Real Presence? Too many, in my opinion. If there was a proper cathechesis, and people were informed about the true nature of these eucharistic miracles, the current crisis of faith would be greatly alleviated.

17 posted on 11/04/2003 6:56:11 AM PST by Pyro7480 (“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: sinkspur
Unfortunately, in looking for the big miracles, we tend to miss all the little ones that are part of our mundane, every day lives.

You are maybe speaking for yourself here?

Most claims of "miracles" are not miracles at all, and are not certified by the Church.

Right. There will always be people who believe in everything seen and unseen and there will always be people who believe in nothing they cannot see with their own eyes and sometimes even when things are visible, they still don't believe it.

The key is discernment. But this article is "Why do claims of Eucharistic Miracles go uninvestigated?" Some of them are probably false and some of them are probably true. At least some of them should be investigated, don't you think?

18 posted on 11/04/2003 7:01:17 AM PST by american colleen
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To: sinkspur
Is it the bleeding, or is it the Eucharistic Presence that they are attracted to?

For those veering on the edge of disbelief in the Real Presence (an unseen miracle) making it visible may bring the Truth home to them. For those who are firm in their belief in the Real Presence, a bleeding host is a visible sign and a miracle. However, as Newman said, "miracles are no remedy for unbelief."

I'm guessing that He knows we are mostly a hard hearted people and that is why, from time to time, we have Padre Pios, Eucharistic miracles, miracles at Fatima and Lourdes, and so on. For those who already believe they are not necessary but they are a gift.

19 posted on 11/04/2003 7:16:45 AM PST by american colleen
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To: Desdemona; american colleen
Well, the least the bishops could do is investigate them and either officially declare them superstition, but no, they won't even do that.

Maybe they have, and their silence signifies that they're bogus.

I remember back in the 80s, when Michael Sheehan was bishop of San Angelo, Texas. Some people were seeing the Blessed Mother in an aura around the sun. Hundreds of mostly poor migrants were flocking to this field outside of Odessa to blind themselves by looking directly at the sun.

He told them, over and over, that Mary wasn't there, but they didn't listen to him.

Giving some of this stuff any attention at all elevates it in the minds of some folks.

If these things help you, then, by all means, have at 'em.

20 posted on 11/04/2003 7:21:28 AM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from a shelter. You will save one life, and may save two.)
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