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Daniel Bible Study (Ongoing Thread) Continuing To Revelation
Bible | 7-20-04 | Christians

Posted on 07/20/2004 11:22:48 AM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT

This study evolved from the Threat Matrix Thread to the Threat Potentials Thread. The study is becoming detailed and I thought it needed it's own thread to make easier access to the information.

I am going to copy and paste the first seven chapters and comments. Feel free to comment at any time on any verse and or cross reference.

May GOD Bless us with His divine wisdom. Amen


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If you love prophecy or are curious (maybe even nervous) about the future, you need to familiarize yourself with the book of Daniel, God's blueprint for prophecy. And in the midst of all its incredible prophecies that take us to the time of the end, Daniel gives us more than God's blueprint for prophecy! The book of Daniel provides us with someone we can pattern our lives after-a man who receives accolades in heaven's court and who is referred to as a "man of high esteem."

It is my prayer that your passion will be to live as a person of high esteen in the eyes of God and the angelic host who serve Him. I pray that you will come to know Him as El Elyon, the Most High God who does according to His will in His army and among the inhabitants of the earth. In that knowledge and the relationship it brings, you, my friend, will find the peace which passes all understanding and which is able to hold you in the darkest of nights. Such knowledge, Beloved,should enable you to be strong and do exploits... Kay Arthur http://www.precept.org/newindex.html

1 posted on 07/20/2004 11:22:53 AM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT
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Welcome All. This is the beginning of the study of the book of Daniel. All thoughts are welcome. Keep one thought in mind...WE WILL ALL AGREE TO DISAGREE.

This is going to be an overview feel free to add to.

On line bible...http://bible.gospelcom.net/

Father we seek your face and Your true WORD. As Your WORD says... Matt18: 20 "For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst." This is our prayer to YOU Oh Most High God Maker of all. We praise Your Name and hold it up high. Thank you for bringing us to YOUR light. Give us wisdom and strength to carry the cross you have chosen for us.
ALL MY LOVE AND PRAISE!
AMEN


Daniel 1:1-21

Author=Daniel
Time=About 605BC
Backround=Daniel's prophetic ministry began and ended in Babylon. When Nebuchadnezzar first besieges Jerusalem in 606 BC, Daniel, who was about 15 years old, was among captives taken to Babylon.
As Moses predicted. Israel lost her place of supremacy among the nations because she did not obey GOD. Instead of becoming the head, Israel became the tail to be wagged by the Gentiles. Yet, because the gifts and calling of GOD are irrevocable, when the fullness of the Gentiles is complete, then all Israel will be saved, for the Deliverer will come out to Zion and take away Israel's sin. All this becomes evident as the prophecies of Daniel unfold.

Above is Excerpt from, The New Inductive Study Bible, New American Standard Bible.

Versus
1&2 The Lord gave Jehoiakim king of Judah into the hands of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon. Along with some of the vessels of the house of GOD. Nebuchadnezzar put the vessels in the treasury of his gods.

3-5 Nebuchadnezzar ordered Ashpenaz to bring the best of the best of the sons of Israel to Nebuchadnezzar to be groomed in his ways of the Chaldeans and have the best of everything the king had.

6-7 Amoung them were Daniel (Belteshazzar),Hananiah(Shadrach), Misheal(meshach) and Azariah(Abed-nego).

8-14 Daniel made up his mind not to defile himself with the kings food or wine. So GOD granted Daniel favor and compassion of the officials and made a deal for 10 days and compare there appearance to the others and see who is fittest.

15-16 At the end of the ten days they were fatter and better than the ones that had been eating the kings choice food.

17 As for these four youths, God gave them knowledge and intelligence in every branch of literature and wisdom; Daniel even understood all kinds of visions and dreams.

18-19 Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah entered the King's personal service.

20 As for every matter of wisdom and understanding about which the king consulted them, he found them ten times better than all the magicians and conjurers who were in all his realm.

21 Daniel continued until the first year of Cyrus the king.


2 posted on 07/20/2004 11:24:00 AM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (There is no such thing as coincidence, GOD is in control.)
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One of the somewhat mystifying things to me is that Daniel was trained in all the arts of the 'wise' men of the realm--which were occultic characters.

Yet, Daniel (evidently) did not sin before His Lord.

Interesting.



151 posted on 07/05/2004 11:22:34 PM EDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)


3 posted on 07/20/2004 11:25:55 AM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (There is no such thing as coincidence, GOD is in control.)
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Time=606 BC When the times of the Gentiles began and will end with the coming of Christ.

Daniel 2:1-29
Time=606BC
1-7 Nebuchadnezzar was in his second reign as king of Babylon. He had dreams; and his spirit was troubled and his sleep left him.

He gave orders to call in all the magicians, conjurers, sorcerers and the Chaldeans to tell the king his dreams. They stood before the king and just praised him.

Nebuchadnezzar said to them, they were to tell him what his dream was and give an interpretation. If they did not he would destroy them all. If they did declare the dream and its interpretation, they would receive from Nebuchadnezzar gifts, a great reward and great honor.

They asked the king to tell them the dream first. They were stalling.



The above is from a political point of view. Also Shows how GOD is in control of the Empires of the world in relation to their development to GODS Kingdom.

8-12 Nebuchadnezzar knew they were all stalling about interpreting the dream and could not interpret the dream so.
12 Because of this the king became indignant and very furious and gave orders to destroy all the wise men of Babylon.




Saddam Hussein thinks he is the reincarnate of Nebuchadnezzar. Sort of sounds like him.

13 So the decree went forth that the wise men should be slain; and they looked for Daniel and his friends to kill them.

14-18 Daniel replied with discretion and discernment to the captain...15 he said to Arioch, the king's commander, "For what reason is the decree from the king so urgent?" Then Arioch informed Daniel about the matter.

Daniel requested of the king for some time, in order that he might declare the interpretation to the king. Daniel informed his friends Hananiah, Mishael, and Azriah so they might request compassion from the GOD of heaven.

The Secret Is Revealed to Daniel

19 Then the mystery was revealed to Daniel in a night vision. Then Daniel blessed the God of heaven;
20 Daniel said,
"Let the name of God be blessed forever and ever,
For wisdom and power belong to Him.
21
"It is He who changes the times and the epochs;
He removes kings and establishes kings;
He gives wisdom to wise men
And knowledge to men of understanding.
22
"It is He who reveals the profound and hidden things;
He knows what is in the darkness,
And the light dwells with Him.
23
"To You, O God of my fathers, I give thanks and praise,
For You have given me wisdom and power;
Even now You have made known to me what we requested of You,
For You have made known to us the king's matter

24-29 Daniel goes to Nebuchadnezzar to interpret the dream and says...28 "However, there is a God in heaven who reveals mysteries, and He has made known to King Nebuchadnezzar what will take place in the latter days. This was your dream and the visions in your mind while on your bed.
29 "As for you, O king, while on your bed your thoughts turned to what would take place in the future; and He who reveals mysteries has made known to you what will take place.

To be continued now the fun part starts. Break time.

161 posted on 07/06/2004 4:20:00 PM EDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (There is no such thing as coincidence, GOD is in control.)


4 posted on 07/20/2004 11:31:00 AM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (There is no such thing as coincidence, GOD is in control.)
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To: Quix; 1john2 3and4; All
neb's dream revealed the kingdoms which would arise after him, symbolised by various materials;1. gold....2. silver.....3. brass....4. iron......5. iron mixed with clay. then the stone (v.34) smote the image - WHERE? - and then the stone became - WHAT?(v.35)

see chapter http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&passage=daniel+2&version=NASB

To get this in my mind I had to draw a picture of a man and write on it. My summary is this...

1st=Head=Gold=Babylon=neb from 626BC-539BC

2st=Breast=Silver=MedoPerisa=4Persian Kings from 539BC-331BC
ref.Daniel 11:2

3rd=Belly&Thighs=Bronze=Greece=Alexander the Great (ref.Daniel 11:3), 4 Kings of North and South (ref.Daniel 11:5-20)and Small Horn (Antiochus Epiphanes)from 331BC-63BC

4th=Legs=Iron=Roman=63BC-476AD

We have a gap of time...........this is where tribulation starts the 7 seven years. This is where WE are TODAY (gap of time) in the timeline.

5th=Iron&Clay=The Opposing King(ref.Daniel 11:36-45)=unknow date start of tribulation 3 1/2 years into tribulation=10 Horns Little Horns=1290 days

V.34 Stone cut with hands falling on the feet of the image singinfies The Coming Of Christ at a time when the Roman Empire is restored.
V.35(ref.V.44) God crushed all and and it blew away. The stone that struck the statue became a mountain or the new Kingdom of GOD. STAND UP AND SHOUT PRAISES!!!!!!!

47 The king answered Daniel and said, "Surely your God is a God of gods and a Lord of kings and a revealer of mysteries, since you have been able to reveal this mystery."



162 posted on 07/06/2004 7:45:15 PM EDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (There is no such thing as coincidence, GOD is in control.)


5 posted on 07/20/2004 11:34:06 AM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (There is no such thing as coincidence, GOD is in control.)
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Liberal scholars claim Daniel was written in the second century BC, yet Daniel predicts to the year the appearance of the Messiah (Jesus Christ). Would anyone recommend a decent scholarly book defending the early authorship of Daniel (sixth century BC)?


6 posted on 07/21/2004 6:34:32 AM PDT by megatherium
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To: Quix; 1john2 3and4; All
later, the symbolism concerning the dragon, the beast, & the false prophet (unholy/false "trinity") will change the picture somewhat - and thats ok! - it just may be a good idea to begin with beginnings.....because it DOES RELATE....and (just my opinion) it may be best to seek thru the confusion (faux pearls) systematically.....hence; understanding DANIEL. ok? (i hope) god bless you all!


Yes it all relates and the picture doesnt change that much. Draw a picture of this man on the left side of a full peice of paper.

Put the man on the left and leave the right side blank so you have room to write.

Now go back with my above post and draw a line from the head across to the right side and write gold,Babylon, Neb. then do the same with the breast, belly and thighs, leg and feet.

I hope this helps.



164 posted on 07/06/2004 8:02:14 PM EDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (There is no such thing as coincidence, GOD is in control.)


7 posted on 07/21/2004 7:05:35 PM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (There is no such thing as coincidence, GOD is in control.)
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i can see you guys have been "mining" Daniel! thats great! because of the symbols - specifically their characteristics, are important to understand, i was hoping to point out the main themes that consistently appear. to me, Jesus saying "let the reader understand" - parenthetically too! - He's seems to be putting special emphasis on paying attention to those characteristics....dont you think?
along those lines, i notice Daniel 7:25 is very specific (you wanted specificity, right? :) regarding actions that the abomination undertakes. i think that paying attention to these, understanding these, is the key to identifying what, or who Jesus is specially pointing out for us in Matt: 24.

i feel this study is moving along quickly! already the "little horn" has been mentioned, along with 1260 days, 3 1/2 years, and other events/prophecies. im not sure i can keep up! it is why i felt that understanding "prophetic time" was important earlier on in the thread. (the year/day principle which seems to be established in Ezekiel 4:6 and Numbers 14:34). applying that measure seems to tie in with the specific time prophecies....its discovering when to start the counting "clock" - that is the study im working on, along with related symbols, characteristics, and stuff. never forgetting, jesus is the point of it all, in the end! knowing & understanding prophecy is all well & good - we are told to seek these understandings "while there's time", but ....(note to self): He saves me - not my knowledge (saves me).....LUB


179 posted on 07/08/2004 9:11:58 AM EDT by 1john2 3and4 (the left is hatriotic)


8 posted on 07/21/2004 7:08:32 PM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (There is no such thing as coincidence, GOD is in control.)
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Was just thinking in terms of MIXTURE . . .

Rarely to never has there been a country like the USA with such a huge degree of

MIXTURE

of values, customs, practices etc.

And there have been some prophetic msgs that God has judged our handling of satanic etc. in our midst as being more than foolish.



181 posted on 07/08/2004 12:06:26 PM EDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)


9 posted on 07/21/2004 7:10:33 PM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (There is no such thing as coincidence, GOD is in control.)
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Daniel 2:36-48

Something I would like to point out as LFL (Lesson for Life) is the fact that The Most Holy GOD is in control of all.
Nebuchadnezzar was not a Godly man and worshiped false idols and himself. But GOD used him as well as Daniel.
GOD in all his wisdom planed this all along. God put Daniel in a place of idol worship, magicians,conjures, and sorcerers. Daniel stood strong in spite of all this and remained true to GOD. Daniel did not fall to the pleasures of life.
Daniel always praised GOD and prayed before he approached all circumstances.

http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&passage=daniel+2%3A36-49&version=NASB

The Interpretation--Babylon the First Kingdom
36 "This was the dream; now we will tell its interpretation before the king.
The Head of gold is Nebuchadnezzar God gave Neb. power to rule over all mankind and the beast. This would also be the Babylon Empire. This would be the first kingdom of gold.
Another kingdom will rise inferior to the Babylon Empire which is the Medo-Perisa Empire this is the second kingdom of silver.
The third kingdom will rise and it is of bronze the Greek Kingdom.
The fourth kingdom as strong as iron and will crush and shatter all things. This is the roman Empire.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The above history is so complete that historians have said this must have been written after the fact. But they CANNOT prove that it was. This is the beauty of Daniel's prophecy and GOD'S WORD.
We come to the feet of iron and clay which will be a divided kingdom. It will be partly the toughness of iron but as brittle as clay. So some of the kingdoms will be strong and some will be brittle. I believe this is where the 10 Horns and Small horn are created like a new Roman Empire. Another clue we get her is that the iron and clay will not mix...v.43 "And in that you saw the iron mixed with common clay, they will combine with one another in the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, even as iron does not combine with pottery.
This could be allot of things UN, NATO, G-8 Summit (could every easily become G-10), EU or maybe something we dont even know. I also think it may come from 10 tribes but that is a later idea we will get to.
I also think this is where we are in time of GOD"S plan watching to see when the 10 Horns or nations will come to the forefront to began the tribulation or 3 1/2 years into (not sure).
V.44-45 have to speak for themselves and I am so excited. This is the stone that will crush all other kingdoms and set up GOD"S kingdom forever and ever...44 "In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which will never be destroyed, and that kingdom will not be left for another people; it will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, but it will itself endure forever.
45 "Inasmuch as you saw that a stone was cut out of the mountain without hands and that it crushed the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver and the gold, the great God has made known to the king what will take place in the future; so the dream is true and its interpretation is trustworthy."

The thing that amazes me most about this is first Daniel lived in a evil environment as a slave at the best, but he stood steadfast. I wonder how we would survive? Nebuchadnezzar witnessed the absolute power and wisdom of GOD and still went on with his evil ways.

It is also a blessing to see and know that GOD is in control of the good and the bad. So we can reason that when bad comes our way always know there is a master plan from GOD himself for the GOOD of all He has chosen. And to be Thankful of the bad because just on the other side is greatness from GOD Almighty.

184 posted on 07/09/2004 3:27:31 AM EDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (There is no such thing as coincidence, GOD is in control.)


10 posted on 07/21/2004 7:14:15 PM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (There is no such thing as coincidence, GOD is in control.)
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To: megatherium; Quix; 1john2 3and4

No I sure don't but will ping Quix and 1john2 3and4 see if they know of one.


To: DAVEY CROCKETT; Quix
The above history is so complete that historians have said this must have been written after the fact. But they CANNOT prove that it was.
this is why i start here, though not the only prophecy to be proven, it is one of the most clear in its use of symbols. the sequence of babylon>>>mede/persian>>>>greek>>>>roman, further illustrated by even more symbols with direct correlation later in daniel leave one.....for instance, a skeptic, with only two choices; either the bible was written by the most erudite & clever collection of historians - who somehow acheived anonymity despite such an overwhelming-in-scope work....a work that spans centuries of history....or....it is god's word!

think of the mental contortions it takes to believe the former! though convinced, and convincing others of their 'superior intellect(s)'...you know; "im wayyyyy too smart to believe that silly god stuff".....the truth is - as usual with those who trumpet their superiority - just the opposite! the intellectual contortions required to believe that the bible's fulfilled prophecies are somehow the work of man belie more closely a spirit of intellectual dishonesty actually bordering on conspiracy-seeking paranoia. such thinking more closely resembles a two-year-old afraid to look under the bed....yet somehow, the prevailing view is that they're rational, intelligent, informed,and above all that bible-thumping madness

such is the fruit of the "sower of false pearls". and how thoroughly clever! those admiring their treasure, their 'find', revel in their own wisdom and sophistication, never knowing....or passionately rejecting, that what they hold...is faux.

when finally we are standing on the walls of the new jerusalem, and we witness "god's strange act", i suspect we'll be filled with many emotions....


188 posted on 07/09/2004 8:40:52 AM EDT by 1john2 3and4 (the left is hatriotic)


11 posted on 07/21/2004 7:28:08 PM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (There is no such thing as coincidence, GOD is in control.)
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Daniel 3:1-30
http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&passage=daniel+3&version=NASB

v.1-7 After the interpretation of Nebuchadnezzar's dream. He made an image of gold and set it up in Babylon.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Why do you think he made the whole image of gold. In his dream Nebuchadnezzar was just he head?
What do you think Nebuchadnezzar is doing or saying with the erection of this statue?

The king then sent for satraps, the perfects, the governors, the counselors, the treasurers, the judges, the magistrates and all the rulers of the provinces to come to the dedication of the image.

4 Then the herald loudly proclaimed: "To you the command is given, O peoples, nations and men of every language,
5 that at the moment you hear the sound of the horn, flute, lyre, trigon, psaltery, bagpipe and all kinds of music, you are to fall down and worship the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king has set up.
6 "But whoever does not fall down and worship shall immediately be cast into the midst of a furnace of blazing fire."

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thoughts....The above to me sounds so much like Saddam Hussein or possibly the Antichrist. Maybe GOD is telling us that this is what to be on the look out for in latter days an example so to speak. The not so surprising part is people actually worshiped him.

v.8-18 Here we find a great display of faith by Shadrach, Meshach and Abed-nego. When charges were brought on them by the Chaldeans for not adhering to Nebuchadnezzar command there reply was...17 "If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the furnace of blazing fire; and He will deliver us out of your hand, O king.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I find this a great Lesson for Life. Can you relate to problems in your life when you felt like you are being cast into the blazing furnace? If we can just pass our human nature of pride and turn to GOD first, in bad circumstances we could live as fearless as this.

v.19-30 Nebuchadnezzar is so angry that he has the furnace heated seven times more than it is usually heated. Has Shadrach, Meshach and Abed-nego tied up and as the warriors were putting them in the fire the flame of the fire slew those men who carried them up.

Nebuchadnezzar "was astounded and stood up" (I like that part) he saw 4 men in the furnace. 25 He said, "Look! I see four men loosed and walking about in the midst of the fire without harm, and the appearance of the fourth is like a son of the gods!"

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Question: Who do you think the fourth person was in the fire who is "like a son of gods"?
How did the lives of these men impact Nebuchadnezzar' s life?
What can we learn about GOD in this chapter?

213 posted on 07/11/2004 3:16:21 AM EDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (There is no such thing as coincidence, GOD is in control.)


12 posted on 07/21/2004 7:33:52 PM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (There is no such thing as coincidence, GOD is in control.)
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ive always thought it-the 4th person, was jesus.
thank you quix, for summing up - in a really great way - NLP etc. though im not in counseling per se, my experiences with it have led me to the same conclusions. awareness of it is useful in the sense of avoiding its influence. the holy spirit is able, and my faith is in the son of god!

i am studying daniel because i think there are clues there as to the nature, identity, and characteristics of end-time events & persons/players. daniel 7's symbols parallel 2's i think, and seem to shed further light on neb's dream in dan. 2.....particularly interesting to note is the creature with 10 horns (dan7; 7). i think the mention of the toes in daniel 2; 41 & 2 (two times!) is the parallel. (10 toes = 10 horns).

i keep thinking of jesus' admonition to pay special attention to SPECIFICALLY this; "(let the reader understand)" .... i hope that by his spirit, we may come to greater "understanding"! thank you for starting this thread. i am working on post-roman history (iron mixed with clay)to try to identify the 10 horns/toes. the better to identify the 3 that "fell" (7;20), with the goal of identifying the main player....the little horn - the abomination. please be patient, and i hope this is not too boring....i have to go to the library to dig thru some history, and will return soon if thats ok. god bless you! LUB


214 posted on 07/11/2004 11:51:27 AM EDT by 1john2 3and4 (when the Democrats attack its campaigning, when the Republicans campaign its attacking)


13 posted on 07/21/2004 7:35:25 PM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (There is no such thing as coincidence, GOD is in control.)
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CERTAINLY FELT in A LOT OF FIERY FURNACES.

Certainly agree it must have been Jesus in the old fiery furnace.

Haven't always FELT Him there with me. But, we walk by faith, vs feelings!

Certainly expect an image of AntiChrist in our era and the demand to worship it.

I pray the bulk of the Believers are well gone by then.



223 posted on 07/12/2004 1:18:13 AM EDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)


14 posted on 07/21/2004 7:36:39 PM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (There is no such thing as coincidence, GOD is in control.)
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I found some of the traits of the individual's in Daniel interesting to learn about God's control over all things. Also what we might learn to apply to our own personal life.

Character Traits of People in the Book of Daniel

Daniel
followed his Lord and GOD
-was slave to Nebuchadnezzar
-did not defile himself with the kings riches
-GOD granted Daniel favor & compassion in sight of others
-GOD gave Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego knowledge and intelligence in every branch of literature and wisdom.
Daniel even understood all kinds of visions and dreams
-the king found Daniel ten times better than all in his realm.

Nebuchadnezzar The King
-king of Babylon (present day Iraq)
-worshipped idols
-put GOD'S vessels in the treasury of false idols
-overtook the king of Judah
note:Jehoiakin was the king of Judah and did evil in the sight of GOD. GOD handed him over to Nebuchadnezzar
-used the son's of GOD as slaves
- sleep left him
-had troubling dreams
-had a troubled spirit
-made a gold idol to himself
-made a decree that all were to worship him and the gold idol

How did the life of Daniel affect Nebuchadnezzar?

What can we learn from these people that we can apply to our own life?

What can we lean about GOD?

258 posted on 07/13/2004 6:32:48 PM EDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (There is no such thing as coincidence, GOD is in control.)


15 posted on 07/21/2004 7:37:43 PM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (There is no such thing as coincidence, GOD is in control.)
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GREAT DAVEY,

FINE WITH ME.

It will be a lot easier to sort through on it's own thread. Sorry the other setup was so annoying to you.

Blessings and full steam ahead!

LUB,


16 posted on 07/21/2004 7:39:23 PM PDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES, SOULS AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)
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IF WE ASSUME,

as I increasingly do

that the scheduled

GLOBAL 10 REGIONS

are the 10 kings in the various prophecies . . .

then the mixture is certainly plausible.

I believe that any AGREEMENT between quasi/former Roman C South America with Hindu India with Moslem Central Asia etc. will be tentative at best--particularly led by demonic forces inherently at each other's throats.

Now, what are the 3 kinds which . . . fall?

Europe could be gobbled by Russia.

North America could be gobbled by China/Russia.

South America would be easily controlled by others with more umph and arms.

Australia could be conquered or at least hemmed in by China.

Africa is likely to be a mess or controlled except MAYBE for South Africa. But South Africa may well be a client of Islam or Russia or?

Will have this 3 kings thing some more prayerful thought.



215 posted on 07/11/2004 9:55:10 PM EDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)


17 posted on 07/21/2004 7:42:58 PM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (There is no such thing as coincidence, GOD is in control.)
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That's my question. When, exactly, do the 3 kings fall?



250 posted on 07/13/2004 1:17:42 PM EDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)


18 posted on 07/21/2004 7:49:24 PM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (There is no such thing as coincidence, GOD is in control.)
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To: All; Quix; 1john2 3and4; Indie
I found some of the traits of the individual's in Daniel interesting to learn about God's control over all things. Also what we might learn to apply to our own personal life.

Character Traits of People in the Book of Daniel

Daniel
followed his Lord and GOD
-was slave to Nebuchadnezzar
-did not defile himself with the kings riches
-GOD granted Daniel favor & compassion in sight of others
-GOD gave Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego knowledge and intelligence in every branch of literature and wisdom.
Daniel even understood all kinds of visions and dreams
-the king found Daniel ten times better than all in his realm.

Nebuchadnezzar The King
-king of Babylon (present day Iraq)
-worshipped idols
-put GOD'S vessels in the treasury of false idols
-overtook the king of Judah
note:Jehoiakin was the king of Judah and did evil in the sight of GOD. GOD handed him over to Nebuchadnezzar
-used the son's of GOD as slaves
- sleep left him
-had troubling dreams
-had a troubled spirit
-made a gold idol to himself
-made a decree that all were to worship him and the gold idol

How did the life of Daniel affect Nebuchadnezzar?

What can we learn from these people that we can apply to our own life?

What can we lean about GOD?

258 posted on 07/13/2004 6:32:48 PM EDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (There is no such thing as coincidence, GOD is in control.)


19 posted on 07/21/2004 7:51:33 PM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (There is no such thing as coincidence, GOD is in control.)
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Daniel 4
1-17 Nebuchadnezzar has a second dream

'The tree grew large and became strong
And its height reached to the sky,
And it was visible to the end of the whole earth.
12
'Its foliage was beautiful and its fruit abundant,
And in it was food for all.
The beasts of the field found shade under it,
And the birds of the sky dwelt in its branches,
And all living creatures fed themselves from it.
13 'I was looking in the visions in my mind as I lay on my bed, and behold, an angelic watcher, a holy one, descended from heaven.
14
'He shouted out and spoke as follows:
" Chop down the tree and cut off its branches,
Strip off its foliage and scatter its fruit;
Let the beasts flee from under it
And the birds from its branches.
15
"Yet leave the stump with its roots in the ground,
But with a band of iron and bronze around it
In the new grass of the field;
And let him be drenched with the dew of heaven,
And let him share with the beasts in the grass of the earth.
16
"Let his mind be changed from that of a man
And let a beast's mind be given to him,
And let seven periods of time pass over him.
17
"This sentence is by the decree of the angelic watchers
And the decision is a command of the holy ones,
In order that the living may know
That the Most High is ruler over the realm of mankind,
And bestows it on whom He wishes
And sets over it the lowliest of men."

v.19-28 Daniel Interprets the Vision

The tree is Nebuchadnezzar that became large and grew strong reached to the sky and his dominion to the end of the earth. The decree of the Most High that the king be driven away from mankind and his dwelling place be with the beast of the field for a period of seven. Seven of time will pass until the king recognize that the Most High is ruler over realm of mankind and bestows it on whomever He wishes.

v.26 26 'And in that it was commanded to leave the stump with the roots of the tree, your kingdom will be assured to you after you recognize that it is Heaven that rules.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Question: I find this very interesting that the Most High tells him his future. Why do you think he did that?
v.27 27 'Therefore, O king, may my advice be pleasing to you: break away now from your sins by doing righteousness and from your iniquities by showing mercy to the poor, in case there may be a prolonging of your prosperity.'
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!All he had to do was repent!
v.28 Nebuchadnezzar did not repent and it all came true.
v.30 30 "The king reflected and said, 'Is this not Babylon the great, which I myself have built as a royal residence by the might of my power and for the glory of my majesty?'
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Pride.
v.31-33 Nebuchadnezzar was driven away from mankind.
v.34-But at the end of that time Nebuchadnezzar raised his head toward heaven and he blessed the Most High and honored Him who lives forever....
v.37 37 "Now I, Nebuchadnezzar, praise, exalt and honor the King of heaven, for all His works are true and His ways just, and He is able to humble those who walk in pride."

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!What can we learn about GOD from this chapter? Somehow I think I am missing something. I am surprised that GOD gave Nebuchadnezzar forewarning and a chance to repent. Do you think GOD does this for us and we don't see it in our life?

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!16 "Let his mind be changed from that of a man And let a beast's mind be given to him, And let seven periods of time pass over him!
Wonder what seven periods of time is?

261 posted on 07/14/2004 3:07:49 AM EDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (There is no such thing as coincidence, GOD is in control.)


20 posted on 07/21/2004 7:53:04 PM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (There is no such thing as coincidence, GOD is in control.)
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