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To: Wonder Warthog
Jesus Christ never spoke Latin. No Apostle ever performed a Mass in Latin.

A ridiculous statement, how would you know if Jesus ever spoke Latin or not. As for the Apostles who knows how much Latin was or wasn't in any of St. Peter's sermons in Rome, no one really knows. We have some indications in the Apostolic Constitution that there was a Latin liturgy of some kind as early as the 2nd century and Tertullian speaks of a Latin Liturgy in the early part of the 3rd century. I certainly do not argue with you that the Liturgy has been in many different languages in the past. Has anyone on this thread argued that point with you? Has anyone on this thread called for the use of Latin only? What does it mater what the "Latin purists" as you call us would do in heartbeat? We can't reverse anything only the Vatican can do that. I could just as easily say the Liturgical Reformers would erase all traces of the Latin Liturgy and Gregorian Chant from the face of the earth in a heartbeat if given the opportunity? Oh...wait, they were given the opportunity or more accurately, they seized the opportunity and almost suceeded.

283 posted on 10/14/2006 4:50:18 AM PDT by Diva
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To: Diva
"A ridiculous statement, how would you know if Jesus ever spoke Latin or not. As for the Apostles who knows how much Latin was or wasn't in any of St. Peter's sermons in Rome, no one really knows."

Uh, there's this thing called HISTORY. There is no evidence whatsoever that Christ or any Apostle spoke Latin to their various audiences (other than possibly under the influence of the "gift of tongues"). It comes from the use of REASON by way of EVIDENCE (you know, what the Church uses to make decisions).

"We have some indications in the Apostolic Constitution that there was a Latin liturgy of some kind as early as the 2nd century and Tertullian speaks of a Latin Liturgy in the early part of the 3rd century."

And there was even more evidence of a GREEK liturgy before that, and an Aramaic one even earlier---so what.

"I certainly do not argue with you that the Liturgy has been in many different languages in the past."

GEE, WHAT AN ADMISSION. I'm glad you acknowledge at least SOME historical truth.

"Has anyone on this thread argued that point with you? Has anyone on this thread called for the use of Latin only?

I don't know if it's on this specific thread, and I'm certainly not going to check back through all the posts to see, but I've seen a whole lot of it in this specific forum.

"What does it mater what the "Latin purists" as you call us would do in heartbeat? We can't reverse anything only the Vatican can do that. I could just as easily say the Liturgical Reformers would erase all traces of the Latin Liturgy and Gregorian Chant from the face of the earth in a heartbeat if given the opportunity? Oh...wait, they were given the opportunity or more accurately, they seized the opportunity and almost suceeded.

So, once again you imply that the "Latin liturgy" and "Gregorian Chant" are somehow "special" and shouldn't have been displaced. Did it occur to you that all those changes were done with the approval of all levels of the Church heirarchy, and it is you "Latin purists" with your constant "bitching and moaning" that have been "giving scandal to the faithful" FOR YEARS??

284 posted on 10/14/2006 5:20:14 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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