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In a nutshell: “Thus, rather than having our thoughts elevated at Mass toward God and heaven, we can find that, when exposed to dance in church, our thoughts are instead made banal.”
The parishes where this is practiced (dancing) are usually where you will find many religious relativists as well.
I’m not a religious person. I’m not a Catholic nor any other variety of Christian. So perhaps I shouldn’t comment here. But that isn’t stopping me, I suppose.
Once in a blue moon, I’ll go to a Catholic mass, just because I enjoy the solemnity of it. I don’t have to explain to anybody who’s been to a Catholic mass the feeling one gets.
So to me, this kind of thing would cheapen the mass and bring it dangerously close to the kind of things I’ve seen at Protestant churches, where I’ve seen (really, really terrible) rock bands playing “modern Christian” music and the congregants making (IMO) fools of themselves. It’s completely stripped of the kind of dignity I see in Catholic Mass. I really hope this doesn’t happen.
Take me back to the old days and the solemn latin masses.
We attended a Tridentine Mass this a.m. at the Mission San Juan Capistrano. What an excellent & pleasant difference & experience!
Have to brush up on my Latin for next Sunday. BIG SMILE
No Salsa dancing in the pews.
His Eminence is correct.
Dancing has no place at Holy Mass. Neither does hand-holding.
We’re called to holiness when we receive this sacarament.
These are outrages against the Holy Mass, perpetrated by those who want to water down the core beliefs to attract more people. The more faithful the church, the stronger it seems to be.
A non Catholic view: I am an evangelical protestant and one of the churches I attend has dancers.
There is no applause and the dancers do not perform - it’s more like a celebration where everyone can sing and the dance is hebrew inspired with messianic type music and worship, not free form. The dancers are mostly older women so that there is no lasciviousness involved and none of them are professionals. They dance off to the side so they are not the focal point.
I never liked “performances” in service, to the place where I don’t even like choirs and soloists and such. I often am asked to sing solos myself, and like to place myself behind the piano where I can’t really be seen well so people can just let the lyrics and music lead them into worship. I like to sing scripture based music.
A mass is not a protestant service, we don’t view that transubstantiation occurs during it, and we have a totally different view of the church building and body of Christ. We don’t even have a functional altar. I don’t know why anyone would have dance during a mass.
I’ve been to several protestant churches where there is no music at all, as it is “worldly”.
Lastly I’ll say this. In the evangelical Christian view, a building is not holy and the church is the believers, not the building. We don’t come to be served, but rather, we call it a service because we come to serve God.
They might take some note of synagogue dancing.
Entertainments of any kind have no place in the liturgy. I don’t know how the so-called liturgical experts ever came to support the idea of “liturgical dancing” since it is pretty clear that the Church prohibits it. I guess it was just another case of the experts understanding the liturgy better than the Church does!
“Whenever the people clap, there is something wrong — immediately.”
Yes! There should never be applause in church. Never! Ever! Under! Any! Circumstances!
Thanks be to God for sending us Cardinal Arinze.
“One pastor explained the feeling of disappointment and betrayal he had when dancers appeared at Mass as he stood in persona Christi: As a priest who stands in persona Christi to offer the sacrifice of the Mass, I felt disappointed and betrayed when liturgical dancers appeared at the Mass that opened our diocesan synod. The believers present for this Mass deserved to partake of the liturgy under the proper rubrics outlined by the Holy See. It would not be an exaggeration to say these believers were ambushed by an act of spiritual and liturgical terrorism.”
Okay, I agree. So why didn’t he throw them out? Why did he let the dance proceed?
Ummmmmmm, this has become such a problem that a major Vatican Cardinal has to speak out against it??????????? Wow, you guys have problems far beyond anything I’d have thought of!
Psalm 149:
1Praise ye the LORD. Sing unto the LORD a new song, and his praise in the congregation of saints.
2Let Israel rejoice in him that made him: let the children of Zion be joyful in their King.
3Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp.
Psalm 150:
1Praise ye the LORD. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power.
2Praise him for his mighty acts: praise him according to his excellent greatness.
3Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp.
4Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.
Certainly there was dance for secular pleasure and other purposes in that day; in fact, that’s easily proven from Bible verses as well. If God has no problem with this, why does the Catholic Church?
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Example Liturgical Signals
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No Crucifix in sanctuary. |
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Liturgical dance detected. |
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Member of laity giving homily - to be evicted from lectern. |
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Incomplete or no consecration. Occurs when illicit matter is used, wrong formula used, only one of the two elements of bread or wine is not properly consecrated, or no validly ordained male priest/bishop is present. In case where only one element is consecrated a replay is called for. |
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Illegal use of hands. Normally called when the celebrant has left the sanctuary to shake everybody's hands. |
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Questionable or just downright heretical theology used in homily. When detected the Liturgical Ref pulls on his lips in a downward direction. |
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The "What the heck am my hearing" signal is one of the most common signals and indicates syrupy banal liturgical music or the inappropriate use of secular music such as show tunes and popular music (especially from the seventies). |
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Disregarding the prescribed text of the Order of Mass. This is another common liturgical penalty despite the fact that no other person, even if he be a priest, may add, remove, or change anything in the liturgy on his own authority. (Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy) |
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Illicit Posture. Usually called when you are being asked to stand instead of kneel or any other poster adaptation not specified by the GIRM or set by your bishop's conference or licitly specified by your local ordinary. |
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Illicit purification of sacred vessels. This is called when the purification of the sacred vessels is done by an Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion despite the fact the the Pope revoked the indult in the U.S. for this permission. |
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Illicit Participation. Called when too many people are in the sanctuary. For example occurs when EMHC arrive before the fraction rite or when some members of the congregation are invited into the sanctuary to pray with the priest during the consecration. |
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Un-Christian Like Conduct. Can be called when elements of other religions contrary to Christianity are introduced such as new age beliefs. Un-Christian Like Conduct is also often called in the parking lot after Mass. |
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Illegal Pass. The celebrant is simply not allowed to make a pass at anybody. |
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Stole Infraction. Normally occurs when the celebrant wears his stole on top of the chasuble. Another penalty can be added if the celebrant does this and the stole is also horrendously ugly or has an seventies themes. |
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Illegal Receiver of Holy Communion. Those who are excommunicated or interdicted after the imposition or declaration of the penalty and others who obstinately persist in manifest grave sin are not to be admitted to Holy Communion. |
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Clowns in the sanctuary - run for your life. |
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Excessive use of inclusive language. Penalty is thrown when grammatical awkwardness is detected in avoiding male pronouns and every other sentence begins brothers and sisters. |