Posted on 02/22/2010 6:48:33 AM PST by bogusname
The argument is often made that the Catholic Church gave us the Bible, but this could not be further from the truth. Only God could give us the Bible. It was originally authored by Him (II Tim. 3:16) and then preserved by Him (Psalm 12:6-7). The confusion, however, comes from the two streams of Scripture that came out of the Middle East after the time of Christ. The Christians were first called Christians at Antioch, where they diligently copied the Scriptures, and spread them throughout the world. However, Alexandria was the home of “scholars” who gloried in their knowledge (Jer. 9:24) rather than in Christ, and took copies of the perfect, preserved Word of God and changed them. One in particular, Origen, was extremely proactive in his aggressive revision of God’s Holy Words. His version combined his own works known as the Apocrypha with the Hebrew New Testament in a Greek version (the language of the proud intellectuals of Alexandria). But the Baptist sect known as the Vaudois, were speaking a new language – Latin. They translated the pure Hebrew Scriptures into Latin, which became the world language, and carried them across the world. Rome, however, slaughtered the Christians in blatant persecution of these diligent carriers of God’s Holy Word.
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I have a feeling that brother Free Vulcan is repeating what he thinks Rome is about. We must as Catholics also emphasise that the Pope as Patriach of the West is equal to the other Patriarchs, not greater or lesser, but as per tradition, first among equals
No, we consider the Orthodox to be part of The Apostolic Church in fullness
I remember. Thanks :-)
Spoken like someone who loves Rome more than he loves Christ.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Adam, last night I went to an event in Bakersfield where 1,500 converts were in the pews ready to join The Church. Spoke with a Monsignor who said the same number or more folks from the Coachella Valley (Palm Desert area) converted just recently. Folks are finding their way home...
The first two sentences of this article are true...the rest, frankly is historical rubbish—incredibly mixed up and inaccurate.
Constantine for example never made the Church the “state religion” rather he was the first Emperor to fully tolerate and even favor Christianity. Christianity was not made the state Church until AD 381, long after Constantine’s death.
As someone with a Masters degree in Theology, who agrees that the Roman Catholic Church did NOT give us the Bible—I’d advise people please don’t take anything said in the article above at face value—as it is full of historical inaccuracies...
Hi. I appreciate your post denying that the Roman Catholic Church “gave” us the Bible. That is very true, they didn’t give us the bible, God did—before the Roman Church was organized.
However, other than the 1st couple sentences, the article by Joshua Joscelyn is completely full of unproved assertions, historical inaccuracies...and ideas that no serious Church historian (and I’m talking about non-Roman Catholic ones) accepts. I have a Masters degree in theology from a very conservative seminary, and these are things I’ve studied.
For example, there are NO ancient copies of New Testament scriptures in Hebrew, anywhere. The oldest texts we have...and we have some from within 75 years of the NT authorship, are ALL in Greek. ....it’s clear that Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, Paul, etc. wrote in the universal language of the 1st Century, which was Greek—there is no evidence otherwise. The idea that any of the books of the NT were originally written in Hebrew (or Aramaic)(or Latin) is ONLY a hypothesis...without any evidence to back it up.
It’s clear the Roman Catholic Church did not give us the bible—however the article by Joscelyn—gives no real history to prove that.
Yes but if there is no proof that some of the books weren’t written in Hebrew then the whole point behind your post is to sneak in your implied opinion in place of his. It takes no advanced education to do that. That’s the oldest trick in the book. No pun intended.
Why pick on my comment, when what I was commenting on was so personally insulting, and when others offered similar rebukes? Indeed, other comments are *more* insulting, comparing Roman Catholics to jihadists.
This is based on the principle that two wrongs do not make a right.
So, with all due respect the Catholic Church as she is today doesn't go farther back then the 12th century. Prior to that priest could marry, the wedding band was worn on the right hand, the Trinity was defined differently, salvation was defined differently, the Eucharist, frequency and witnessing of confession, repentance was all different. These are some of the things that led to the schism aside from power structure.
I spent 36 years in your cult...seriously, if you can’t recognize the deviations, then you’re too brainwashed to understand.
So which cult are you in now? And how do they brainwash you?
I left your ‘catholic’ church and became a Christian. Those of us who have done this understand the difference.
Right, you left The Church and joined a grouping outside The Church. Whether that grouping is a cult or not is your issue or it may depend on the level of brainwashing. The Church does not do brainwashing and is not a cult, rather the repository of The Faith in Christ.
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