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To: redleghunter
Is Jesus' Deity based on His mother or Father?

Completely irrelevant to His birth, incarnation, His mother. If you had "your father's eyes," it would not mean your mother is therefore not your mother.

If you wish to split the person of Jesus in two, you are following in the footsteps of the heresy of Nestorius.

Why are you questioning the Deity of Jesus

Of course I'm not, the question was to you, because the logic of your argument calls into question whether you doubt it. The problem is evident in a simple syllogism:

Jesus is God.
Mary is the mother of Jesus.
Therefore Mary is the mother of God.

If you deny the conclusion, then you have to deny either the major or minor premise. If you do not deny that Mary was His mother, then it can only follow that you deny his divinity.

333 posted on 06/02/2014 2:18:54 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr
Jesus is God.
Mary is the mother of Jesus.
Therefore Mary is the mother of God.

Wouldn't this string of logic then infer that God did not exist until Mary gave birth to him? So then the God that Mary gave birth to travels back in time, creates the universe, then inspires Old Testament prophets to write regarding the birth that God knows he will have...

Then he travels to the future so he can see if he returns, and what leads up to it, so he can then tell New Testament apostles what to write regarding the future....

Sorry.... Sounds like a bad scifi story. Chicken/egg question: which came first, God, who created the universe, or the mother of God, who was born roughly 4000 years after the creation of the universe that God created?

Mary gave birth to the physical body of Jesus. Jesus, the word, has always been. The first few verses of the Book of John confirm this.

356 posted on 06/02/2014 6:10:02 PM PDT by The Bard (http://www.myfbc.com)
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To: D-fendr
The argument that *Mary is the mother of Jesus and Jesus is God therefore Mary is the mother of God*, leads to the following conclusions using the same (for lack of a better term) *logic*:

If Mary is the mother of God and the Father is God, then Mary is the mother of the Father.

If Mary is the mother of God and the Holy Spirit is God, then Mary is the mother of the Holy Spirit.

That puts Mary above the Godhead, makes Mary deity, makes her the mother of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, making them created, finite beings with beginning.

It totally messes up all kinds of theology.

Do Catholics EVER think through what they have been spoon fed for their entire lives, cause it sure doesn't look that way with the arguments they use.

I'll stick with agreeing with the Holy Spirit in what He inspired in Scripture: *Mary, the mother of Jesus*.

That way, I KNOW I can't be wrong.

In Scripture, the Holy Spirit calls her *mother of Jesus*.

John 2:1 On the third day there was a wedding at Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there.

John 2:3 When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to him, “They have no wine.”

Acts 1:14 All these with one accord were devoting themselves to prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and his brothers.

Scripture is clear in calling Mary *the mother of Jesus*.

358 posted on 06/02/2014 7:13:36 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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