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1 posted on 05/05/2015 12:34:24 AM PDT by walkinginthedesert
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To: walkinginthedesert

Does this pope ever talk about Jesus?

Seems all he ever talks about is social justice issues.


2 posted on 05/05/2015 2:02:25 AM PDT by boycott
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To: walkinginthedesert

I think the U.S. Army, as an institution, has done more to directly abolish slavery than the papacy. And they have only been around for a couple hundred years! The moral courage of the U.S. Abolishinists is by contrast must greater than the popes.

Maybe the current pope can concentrate on the sufferings of the Syrian And Coptic Christians than being popular and fighting for social justice?


3 posted on 05/05/2015 3:03:49 AM PDT by keving (We get the government we vote for)
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To: walkinginthedesert

Islam still carries out slave operations...now called human trafficking by the UN....same methods....and Islam fines no fault in doing such things to Africans and other non-believers....and yet this Pope will not speak out about it....


4 posted on 05/05/2015 3:27:22 AM PDT by BCW (ARMIS EXPOSCERE PACEM)
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To: walkinginthedesert
There has not been an institution that has done more for the abolition of slavery as we know it than the Catholic Church. This is specifically true in regards to the constant efforts and admonitions against what is known today as chattel slavery, the unjust form of servitude which has existed ever since the time of the Age of Exploration, and which Pope Pius III once called a slavery “never before heard of.” Ever since the Early Church, the Catholic Church has done a great deal for the cause for human dignity, including the promotion of fair treatment even in regards to the practice of just forms of servitude “indentured servitude”. However because of the shortness of time and the content of this paper, I will address the Church’s fight against slavery in the modern sense of the word, namely “chattel slavery.” From (1435- 1890) the Church had been condemning slavery even before the rise of the American abolitionist movement, as well as before the finding of the New World itself....

....[Pope Eugene IV] had issued a papal bull Sicut Dudum on January 13, 1435 in which he condemned the enslavement of the Guanches and other peoples of the Canary Islands which had started to be colonized....
....In 1537, just about a hundred years after Eugene IV’s Sicut Dudum, Pope Paul III passed Sublimus Dei, Pastorale Officium, and Altitudo Divini Consilii. These three papal documents showed that the natives of the New World were not subhuman as various individuals erroneously believed, explained that chattel slavery was a new and unjust in all situations, influenced both the Laws of 1542 and the fair treatment of the natives in Mexico, and lastly further applied an excommunication to those who would engage in this slavery....
....Even after the encyclicals and papal efforts against the slave movement, many Christians were still active in slavery, specifically around Brazil. For this reason Pope Benedict XIV issued the Papal Bull Immensa Pastorum on December 20, 1741. This Bull did two specific things. The first one is simply the fact that it recounted and reinforced the decrees and efforts of his papal predecessors such as Paul III and many others. However the most significant thing was that it clearly made known that it was not only the Catholic laity but all members of the Church including the clergy which were to be prohibited from taking part of this slavery....
....Pope Leo XIII wrote two encyclicals, In Plurimis on May 5, 1888 and Catholicae Ecclesiae on November 20, 1890. One of the particular thing which In Plurimis did, was that it was written as a means of encouraging the Bishops of Brazil to enforce the abolition of slavery which had just recently been passed.

The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.
Proverbs 18:17 (ESV)

In 1452, Pope Nicholas V issued the papal bull Dum Diversas, granting Afonso V of Portugal the right to reduce any “Saracens, pagans and any other unbelievers” to hereditary slavery. This approval of slavery was reaffirmed and extended in his Romanus Pontifex bull of 1455. These papal bulls came to serve as a justification for the subsequent era of slave trade and European colonialism.
-- from the thread Black History: The Slave Coast

Dolan writes: "That 'right' to own a slave was even upheld by a decision of the U.S. Supreme Court (whose Chief Justice at the time, Roger Brooke Taney, was a Catholic, 'personally opposed' to slavery!) in the infamous 1857 Dred Scott Decision, declaring that a slave who had escaped and claimed freedom had to be returned to his 'master,' because he had no rights at all...."Our faces blush with shame as we Catholics admit we did so little to end slavery," Dolan continued....
-- from the thread Abp. Dolan: American Catholic Leadership against Abortion Redeems Laxity against Slavery

Pointing to Chief Justice Roger Taney’s role in writing the controversial Dred Scott v. Sanford decision that declared blacks to be non-citizens and that made slavery legal in all territories, members of the Frederick chapter of the NAACP are calling on city leaders to take down the bust.
-- from the thread Statue of first Catholic Supreme Court justice may go [Chief Justice Taney/"Dred Scott" decision]

“Can a man serve God faithfully and possess slaves?” Brother Joseph Mobberly, S.J. asked in his diary in 1818. “Yes,” he answered. “Is it then lawful to keep men in servitude? Yes.” The Jesuits of the Maryland province had always relied on plantations to support their ministries. The estates were extensive, totaling 12,000 acres on four large properties....By the 1680s they relied upon a fully developed slave system. Compared to other plantation owners in the area, when it came to slavery, “The Jesuits were no better or worse,” according to Cloke. Many of the slaves had been gifts from wealthy Catholic families to sustain the Church....“They were conflicted over what to do about the threat of abolitionists....”

....Abolitionists presented an economic rather than moral problem for these Jesuits. With a growing abolitionist presence in Maryland, some of them feared a devaluation of their property, their slaves. Maryland was a state in which slavery had a tenuous hold, the economy was no longer driven by slave labor. According to reports, the general debt of the mission was close to $32,000 by the 1830s, a large sum for the time. “It was not a market for growing crops, but for growing slaves,” said Cloke. The real money was to be made not from the work a slave could do in Maryland, but from the hugely profitable business of selling the slaves downriver....

....Brother Mobberly, who served as an overseer on one of the estates, kept an extensive diary giving a bird’s eye view of the tension the Jesuits felt surrounding the issue of slavery. His diary explores the tension between Catholics, an already persecuted group, and the Presbyterians, Baptists, Quakers and Methodists who were outspokenly opposed to slavery. Mobberly, like other Jesuits, came to feel threatened and saw the issue as a Catholic-Protestant conflict. Involving everything from the Bible to Thomas Jefferson, Mobberly’s diary defended slavery. He explained that Abraham owned slaves, and wrote, “Abraham had God for his particular friend; and we do not read that God ever reproached him for keeping men in servitude. Therefore, it was lawful for him to possess them.”

....Jesuits in the Americas have always had an ambivalent relationship with slavery. Jesuits owned slaves in South America; the Catholic Church didn’t outlaw slavery from its missions until 1843. However, the Jesuits of Brazil were expelled from the country by the Spanish and Portuguese empires because their priests were protecting Native Indians from slave-hunters’ raids and undermining slavery. Maryland’s Jesuits, Cloke said, were “a new organization. They had been suppressed and were less revolutionary than their forbearers”....

....“Catholics were persecuted, but at least by holding slaves they were like everyone else,” Randall Bass, who worked with students on the Jesuit Plantation Project, explained. “They were working to maintain acceptance where it was hard.”
-- from the thread The Jesuits' Slaves


5 posted on 05/05/2015 5:43:18 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: walkinginthedesert

All that is well and good. I’ve read similar things before. But is it an accurate reflection of the Catholic Church and slavery? This Wikipedia article, “(The) Catholic Church and Slavery,” presents a lot of information to the contrary that bears looking into, as a start (and there are many more on the subject):

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_slavery

Consider, too, just how many Americans are aware of the slavery that went on in Latin America, despite that at the very least, as many slaves were used there, and all reports on it that I’ve seen say the numbers there were much greater. But not many Americans have even heard of Latin American slavery of Native Americans and Africans, I would say. I know I never heard anything about it until recently while doing some research of my own. To my recollection, we simply were not taught about Latin American slavery in school, despite all the lessons on it. We learned about the Atlantic slave triangular trade, and learning about the parties involved in that was the extent of it. That’s truly appalling, and you have to wonder why. It simply isn’t a legitimate justification to say, as perhaps some would, that in American schools it would be enough to learn about the North American trade, so the Latin American trade could be completely omitted. The issue wasn’t national or political, but a moral and human one, with a tremendous human cost.

How slavery is taught gets even more suspicious when you consider that Islamic involvement is also kept out of it.


6 posted on 05/05/2015 6:32:48 AM PDT by Faith Presses On ("After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations...")
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