[fieldmarshaldj]

*ping of interest*

[BenLurkin]

It’s not a scroll?

[SeekAndFind]

For those interested in New Testament History... This series is worth reading:

The Complete Series: Ten Basic Facts About the NT Canon that Every Christian Should Memorize

[ConservativeMind]

I have never heard of this.

Fascinating.

[WildHighlander57]

Many thanks for the lost!

[PJammers]

Nice find. Thanks.

[metmom]

ping

[Mrs. Don-o]

Thanks so much for this. Fascinating!

Important line: "And those books were decided on [by the famous synods and councils]because they were in widespread use and respected by everyone."

That's exactly right. It's what we Catholics call the "Sensus fidelium" ... the sense of the Faithful. In this case, the actual practice. The big-T Tradition.

[ealgeone]

Paul's letters were considered to be Scripture even prior to that. 2 Peter 3:16

Second Peter has been dated around 66 AD.

Plus if we examine Paul's letters we will find they were circulation prior to this.

1 Thes 5:27 (51 AD) this epistle to be read to all the brethren

Galatians 1:21 (49AD) to the churches in Galatia

Col 4:16 (61 AD) see to it that it is read to the church at Laodicea

The Word was getting around very early in the early church!

Source: Ryrie Study Bible

[kaehurowing]

Has Professor Robert Langdon been notified of this?

[Kay Ludlow]

Interesting, Thanks for sharing it!

[umgud]

Thanks very much for the post.

[dangus]

The key point is that it *only* included 22 of 27. 5 more were still occasionally disputed. They definitely were widely considered scripture by AD 190, but there were some other books that were widely considered scripture, too, within apostolic doctrinally orthodox churches. Among these were the First Epistle of Clement, the Apocalypse of Peter and the Teaching of the Twelve.

The Muratorian fragment considers the Book of Wisdom to be scripture, even though it seems to include it in the New Testament.

The first canon which lists every New Testament book and no other books is that of Athanasius, in AD 367, quickly followed by many others (Rufinus, 380; Epiphanius, 385; Jerome, 390, Augustine, 397; 3rd Council of Carthage, 397; Pope Innocent I, 405)

Another odd thing about citing the Muratorian fragment is that its author is plainly defining the canon not by which books are doctrinally authoritative, but which are fitting to be used in public worship.

[onedoug]

Interesting read. Thanks for posting.

[Mrs. Don-o]

And the same authority of the "sensus fidelium" --- "big-T Tradition," the actual practice of the actual churches of Asia, Africa and Europe--- which gave us the Canon of Scripture, gave us also the Sacraments, praying for the dead, praying with the Saints in Heaven, veneration for Beata Maria Semper Virgineand other beliefs and practices still carried on by over a billion Christians to the present day.

[Mrs. Don-o]

And the same authority of the "sensus fidelium" --- "big-T Tradition," the actual practice of the actual churches of Asia, Africa and Europe--- which gave us the Canon of Scripture, gave us also the Sacraments, praying for the dead, praying with the Saints in Heaven, veneration for Beata Maria Semper Virgineand other beliefs and practices still carried on by over a billion Christians to the present day.

[Elsie]

And that’s why there’s no reason to be skeptical that the Bible we have today is any different than the Bible that everybody in the early church had.

Too bad that it shows that many Catholic 'doctrines' were added to BASIC Christianity later.

[Elsie]

Do they throw any core doctrines into doubt?

Core?

Or Catholic??

[Elsie]

I think it comes from some Hollywood movie, or maybe a TV show.

I'm glad THAT is settled!

[Elsie]

Although there is still dispute about some books, that does not negate the fact that the main books we use (the gospels, Acts, the letters of Paul) are all considered to be canon by 180 A.D

ALL of Acts?

Even chapter 15??

Golly, most of the things that Rome says are so VERY important are NOT found there!

HMMMmmm...