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To: Cvengr

What Christ did for us on the Cross was our Redemption. In the Old Testament redemption meant to pay the price to the Temple so that an animal could live and that man could use him. Jesus paid our redemption/sin debt so that our Eternal Father would not destroy us for having stolen His and His only prerogative as mankind’s Creator. Like that animal from whom service was required by it’s owner, or his owner might sell him as useless, we must, as St. Paul tells us, work out our salvation in fear and trembling. Redemption and salvation are two different things. Redemption was given to us for free by Jesus on the Cross. Salvation will be decided by how well we suffer our cross and keep His commandments. If we are quick to confess our sins before we die, then God will be quick to forgive us. If we don’t we will spend eternity in Hell. Once we have taken that last breath, the state of our soul at that moment will remain that way for all eternity, giving us eternal life or eternal death. We decide. We are not predestined to Hell.


28 posted on 06/02/2017 1:05:50 AM PDT by Trad Bishop
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To: Trad Bishop

We are not saved by works, lest any man should boast.

The Cross was Judgment.

Redemption is to remove us from the slave market of sin.

The animals purchased at the Temple were used in blood sacrifice to atone for sin, not to preserve the life of the animal.

Once you are reborn in the spirit, you have eternal life. If you doubt this, you lack faith in what He provided at the Cross.


29 posted on 06/02/2017 1:20:32 AM PDT by Cvengr ( Adversity in life & death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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To: Trad Bishop; metmom

Dear Traddy:

Stop adding specious texts from untested apparitions to the new Covenant.

It’s what false teachers are made of.


30 posted on 06/02/2017 1:33:33 AM PDT by Sontagged (Lord Jesus: please expose, unveil and then frogmarch Your enemies behind You as You've promised...)
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To: Trad Bishop
. Salvation will be decided by how well we suffer our cross and keep His commandments. If we are quick to confess our sins before we die, then God will be quick to forgive us. If we don’t we will spend eternity in Hell. Once we have taken that last breath, the state of our soul at that moment will remain that way for all eternity, giving us eternal life or eternal death. We decide. We are not predestined to Hell.

Salvation is by faith, not works in the least. Works are evidence of the changed heart and life, not a contributing factor towards salvation.

Here is what Paul says on it.

Galatians 2:15-21 We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

But if, in our endeavor to be justified in Christ, we too were found to be sinners, is Christ then a servant of sin? Certainly not! For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor. For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.

Galatians 3:1-29 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?

Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.

To give a human example, brothers: even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ. This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.

Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.

Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.

Ephesians 2:1-9 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.

But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Ephesians 1:13-14 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.

ARE saved. Present tense.

Already in heaven with God in the heavenly places.

32 posted on 06/02/2017 4:31:14 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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