Do most Calvinists really know what Calvin taught about predestination?

Running Away From My Church Blog ^ | 5/25/2018 | Robert Messner

[Bryanw92]

>>I’m not accepting the blame for that one. You own it.

Yes I do.

[kosciusko51]

Thank you for condemning us all over the actions of one. Again, I thought you to be better than this.

[MHGinTN]

Trying to put words in my posts that I have not posted is a sign of someone who is not honest. You are spewing in the spirit of antichrist. Run along.

[MHGinTN]

Well stated.

[metmom]

It’s not just the actions of one that makes a stereotype.

I’m sorry that that offended you, but my experience with those to hold to Calvinism has generally not been positive.

I do realize that not all who hold to that doctrine are like that, like the few like you, but his behavior did not challenge my observations.

Everyone gets a chance to prove themselves in my book.

He showed what he’s about.

[tiredofallofit]

So you have no response then? And since I don’t agree with your opinion I have the spirit of the anti-Christ? That seems rather intolerant. No matter, have a blessed Memorial Day weekend.

[MHGinTN]

Why is it you leftists freaks assume since someone dismisses your little taunting bilge that we have no response? I said nothing about anything except the authority to forgive sins. You on the other hand, tried to stretch my initial response to something you derive glee in arguing over. Now run along, your father of lies is calling you.

[kosciusko51]

There are a plethora of Calvinist on this board who have treated you with nothing but respect.

I’m sorry your encounters in real life have been less than satisfactory.

[Kandy Atz]

Imagine a door into heaven and the sign on the front reads, “Whosoever will..”. Once you enter, the sign on the inside of that door reads, “Chosen in Him before the foundation of the world.”

There's a lot of Truth in that illustration.

[MHGinTN]

JESUS is the door

[tiredofallofit]

I assume because you did not respond. You cannot pick and choose which authority got passed down through the church and which did not. This is my point. And where do you get that I am a leftist freak?

[Mr Rogers]

“I was a Calvinist before I knew what it meant, because I could not reckon how an all-knowing God could not know who would choose Him.”

Non-Calvinists believe God knows in advance who will or will not believe Him.

“And the elect and predestined passages did not jibe with the Arminian position.”

As taught by Calvin, the 20-ish passages about election and predestination don’t jibe with the hundreds or thousands of verses about believing, faith, trusting God, real choices made by humans, etc. However, if those handful of verses are viewed as CORPORATE election - the same sort of “election” that made Israel God’s Chosen People - then all the verses agree with each other.

I recommend:

http://evangelicalarminians.org/files/Abasciano%20On%20the%20Corporate%20Perepsective%20of%20Paul%20and%20His%20Culture%20the%20Tarnslation%20of%20Rom.%209_6b,%20and%20Corporate%20Election%20in%20Romans%209.pdf

Just as the Jews are chosen “In Abraham”, so are we chosen “In Christ”. See:

https://www.amazon.com/Elect-Son-Robert-Shank/dp/1556610920/ref=pd_sim_14_46?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=1556610920&pd_rd_r=FRZ2GE5KADXFRPQ2881S&pd_rd_w=WAujK&pd_rd_wg=VSCU8&psc=1&refRID=FRZ2GE5KADXFRPQ2881S

[metmom]

I’ve seen it happen many times. I’m really surprised at your broadbrush stereotype of Calvinist.

That has been my experience which is all I stated.

Sadly, there are too few who I have seen that challenge that observation.

[metmom]

Then I am not aware that they are Calvinists as usually they don’t announce it.

I will pay more attention then.

[metmom]

So supposing you believe the Catholic position of man being granted the authority to forgive sin in lieu of God, then to whom did that authority get passed on to and how is it passed on?

Where are either of those spelled out in Scripture?

[tiredofallofit]

Is Confession just a Catholic position? I don’t think so.

If you are asking to whom Christ’s authority was passed down from his original disciples, I would suggest reading through the book of Acts.

[kosciusko51]

If i am not mistaken, the usual first person on your ping list is/was a Calvinist (And we still miss him...)

[metmom]

That’s why he’s still on.

[kosciusko51]

Thanks, but no thanks.

For what it’s worth, I personally do not know of any Calvinist who believes that non-Calvinist are not Christian, but I cannot say the converse is true.

[metmom]

I have more than you know.

And passing the responsibility off on me to support YOUR position is not an answer.

If you make the point, it’s your responsibility to support it, not someone else’s to do your work for you.

So show me using chapters and verses.