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To: Morgana

Can the gov force people to purchase something they don’t want? In this country we were free to wander around in life never payign anyone a dime for anything- we coudl eat of the land, make our own clothes, live in public lands moving from one area to another etc- and never had to pay a dime- then along comes obama and john roberts who assure us the government has the right to force us to buy health insurance against our will

I believe Kavanaugh helped formulate the idea that the government had a right to do that if I’m not mistaken?

[[And in Kavanaugh’s view, Obamacare’s individual mandate deserved to be counted as a tax, even though the law’s authors called it a “penalty.”]]

https://reason.com/blog/2018/07/07/scotus-shortlister-brett-kavanaugh-on-ob


2 posted on 07/11/2018 11:08:11 AM PDT by Bob434
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To: Bob434

The Obama caliphate gave us a small taste of what we would have had under the Clinton cabal had she and her FBI cohorts succeeded in stealing the election. The left calls Trump Hitler? A dictator? What freakin hypocrites after their god Obama shoved the Obamacare down people throats. That was so freakin unconstituional it was insane, to be mandated to buy a companies product just for existing. Hillary would have went much further though, she would have raised the fines through the roof and then had the law adjusted giving the government the right to seize assets for those who do not pay. It would have been her own version of Stalinism, collectivism and redistribution, redistribution to the millions of illegals that would be swarming in to change the demographics of the entire country. Without question she would have abolished ICE.


4 posted on 07/11/2018 11:22:18 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Vox populi, vox dei)
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To: Bob434; Morgana

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Can the gov force people to purchase something they don’t want? In this country we were free to wander around in life never payign anyone a dime for anything- we coudl eat of the land, make our own clothes, live in public lands moving from one area to another etc- and never had to pay a dime- then along comes obama and john roberts who assure us the government has the right to force us to buy health insurance against our will
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Sorry, but that ship has already sailed. You’re ~100 yrs+ too late.

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I believe Kavanaugh helped formulate the idea that the government had a right to do that if I’m not mistaken?

[[And in Kavanaugh’s view, Obamacare’s individual mandate deserved to be counted as a tax, even though the law’s authors called it a “penalty.”]]
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Penalty vs. tax is debating from the Leftists’ POV. The ? FIRST, and *MOST* importantly is: “By what authority?”

The ‘discussion’ needed go past that, since there ISN’T any via A1S8.

If it DOES get past that basic point, then compare vs. Amendments, one by one.

4th A violation? Null/void
5th A violation? Null/void
9th? 10th? 13th?


7 posted on 07/11/2018 11:41:33 AM PDT by i_robot73 (One could not count the number of *solutions*, if only govt followed\enforced the Constitution.)
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