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Pope Francis changes Catholic Church teaching to say death penalty is ‘inadmissible’
Washington Post ^ | August 2, 2018 | Chico Harlan

Posted on 08/02/2018 6:47:50 AM PDT by ebb tide

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To: grania

Yes, and in the U.S. where we have the best protections against injustice, we’d be better off not wasting money on countless appeals, and sticking w life in prison.


21 posted on 08/02/2018 7:22:59 AM PDT by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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To: ebb tide

Unless of course you’re a heretic, then we can burn you alive at the stake, because the after party BBQ is great.


22 posted on 08/02/2018 7:24:14 AM PDT by BushCountry (thinks he needs a gal whose name doesn't end in ".jpg")
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Pope Francis is also against life imprisonment.

Pope Francis calls for abolishing death penalty and life imprisonment

23 posted on 08/02/2018 7:25:55 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

#NotMyPope.


24 posted on 08/02/2018 7:27:51 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: Tenacious 1

Great points.


25 posted on 08/02/2018 7:29:21 AM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: grania

...It’s complicated, in my mind. ,

As someone who has had a close friend
A harmless medical student, studious, quiet
Wanted to be a Pediatrician

Raped, Brutalized, Shot, and Killed
And having been in the presence of the killer

I am happy to report the murderer is dead by electrocution

https://www.nytimes.com/1987/07/25/us/killer-of-medical-student-dies-in-electric-chair-in-louisiana.html

Having seen Justice Done
I had an immediate sense of “It Is Finished”

Don’t tell me there is no place for the death sentence


26 posted on 08/02/2018 7:29:50 AM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: Paradox
No, the perennial teaching of the Catholic Church has been that the death penalty is permissible as a state's means of protecting itself.

The Pope, despite what Pope Francis has done, is not an Emperor. The headlines are accurate: Pope Francis indeed has “changed the Church's teaching on the death penalty”. problem is that Pope are not supposed to change long-held teachings by fiat.

The Catholic Church is in crisis and a a state of de facto schism. Will is soon be in a state of actual schism? Stay tuned.

27 posted on 08/02/2018 7:31:43 AM PDT by utahagen (but but)
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To: Biggirl
#NotMyPope.

He is per Unam Sanctam.

28 posted on 08/02/2018 7:31:54 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

I stand on my position.

#NotMyPope.


29 posted on 08/02/2018 7:33:29 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: piusv
Indeed he did, in Bullarium Romanum (1568).
30 posted on 08/02/2018 7:34:19 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: Mrs. Don-o
For the "church" that claims they don't change, Roman Catholicism sure has a lot of change.

But this isn't the first change on this topic for Rome.....from the linked article:

A quarter-century ago, the church said that the death penalty was justified in cases of “extreme gravity.” Then, in 1997, Pope John Paul II narrowed the standards for when the punishment was permissible.

Scripture doesn't change.....but Rome's "Tradition" does.

31 posted on 08/02/2018 7:35:55 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Biggirl
I stand on my position. #NotMyPope.

Then you are committing a "mortal sin" in Roman Catholicism by ignoring Unam Sanctam.

Always amazing how Roman Catholics are quick to condemn all of us non-Roman Catholics for doing the very thing you are doing.

Simply. Amazing.

32 posted on 08/02/2018 7:37:44 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: utahagen

What took place is a distraction to the reality that the Church is in a cold civil war or cold schism.


33 posted on 08/02/2018 7:38:17 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: G Larry
You are making reasonable arguments, and if you were running for Governor or writing a theological essay, they would be good ones. However, the issue here is whether Pope Francis - or any Pope - is permitted to change a long-held teaching of the Church by fiat, simply by making any announcement that he has changed the teaching. The answer is: No.

I happen to be in favor of the death penalty, but I swear that is not why I am upset by this. I am deeply disturbed because there is no justification for the way Pope Francis has gone about making this change, and his having done so in this way undermines his authority, as well as the Papacy itself.

Catholics, pray for our Church.

34 posted on 08/02/2018 7:38:48 AM PDT by utahagen (but but)
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To: ebb tide

More change....from the group that claims they’ve never changed????


35 posted on 08/02/2018 7:38:53 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ebb tide
inadmissible because it is an attack on the inviolability and dignity of the person

So when God prescribed the death penalty in the Old Testament, was that "an attack on the inviolability and dignity of the person"? Are we arguing that God commanded people to sin?

This is material heresy IMO.

36 posted on 08/02/2018 7:39:29 AM PDT by Campion
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To: ebb tide

From the church that never changes.......


37 posted on 08/02/2018 7:40:32 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: G Larry

Arguing that the death penalty is misused and should be avoided in typical circumstances is entirely different from arguing that it is inherently immoral.


38 posted on 08/02/2018 7:40:46 AM PDT by Campion
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To: pgyanke
Don't take the bait by focusing on the issue itself (i.e., the death penalty). The point is that no Pope has the right to wake up and say, “You know what? I'm going to take a perennially held teaching of the Church and change it by fiat. I'm going to issue a statement and that’ll be that.”

We are in dangerous waters here.

39 posted on 08/02/2018 7:41:14 AM PDT by utahagen (but but)
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To: metmom

From the Pope who departs further and further from the Faith of the Church.


40 posted on 08/02/2018 7:41:37 AM PDT by Campion
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