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To: ADSUM; Salvation; Mrs. Don-o; boatbums; metmom
Part One (revised) of response to Post #13:

Perhaps you would like to read the letters of Bishops Ignatius and Polycarp that used the name Catholic church.

I think not for the purpose of this debate.

Any writings from the ongoing disciples of the apostles if in agreement with and verifiable by Holy Inspired Scripture are unnecessary; and if not contained in Scripture, they would be uninspired and speculative.

I realize that if Ignatius of Antioch introduced the term "catholic," it will be a use of language not previously associated with the noun meaning "summoned ones" in either the Septuagint or the Byzantine Majority textform of the NT.

The adverb καθόλου (katholou) appears but once in the NT Greek, and even then modifies the verb "to speak," not any noun or pronoun.

The idea of "Catholic Church" as a supralocal association governing independent regular gatherings of Christ-followers does not occur any place in the New Testament.

What I said previously in Post #12 stands.

23 posted on 01/16/2019 5:14:10 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: imardmd1; ADSUM; Salvation; boatbums; metmom
As far back as the Council of Jerusalem, you have a "supralocal association governing independent regular gatherings of Christ-followers" . Theymad rulings whih were then communicted to the local churches.

It was hosted not by Peter, but by James, bishop of the Church in Jerusalem. NOtice, however, that it was Peter who was granted the guiding vision.

Pertinent to the history is that the later, ut still very early Fathers looked to "theChurch of ts Peter and Paul" &Rome, which was heir place of martyrdom)as the hub signifing their fidelity and unity.

MOre later. I'm off to church!

24 posted on 01/16/2019 5:46:05 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Beauty will save he world." - Fyodor Dostoevsky)
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To: imardmd1

Are you familiar with Acts?

The First Community in Jerusalem. 13When they entered the city they went to the upper room where they were staying, Peter and John and James and Andrew, Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew, James son of Alphaeus, Simon the Zealot, and Judas son of James. 14All these devoted themselves with one accord to prayer, together with some women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and his brothers.l

Communal Life.* 42y They devoted themselves to the teaching of the apostles and to the communal life, to the breaking of the bread and to the prayers.z 43Awe came upon everyone, and many wonders and signs were done through the apostles.a 44All who believed were together and had all things in common;b 45they would sell their property and possessions and divide them among all according to each one’s need.

[2:42–47] The first of three summary passages (along with Acts 4:32–37; 5:12–16) that outline, somewhat idyllically, the chief characteristics of the Jerusalem community: adherence to the teachings of the Twelve and the centering of its religious life in the eucharistic liturgy (Acts 2:42); a system of distribution of goods that led wealthier Christians to sell their possessions when the needs of the community’s poor required it (Acts 2:44 and the note on Acts 4:32–37); and continued attendance at the temple, since in this initial stage there was little or no thought of any dividing line between Christianity and Judaism (Acts 2:46).

Prayer of the Community. 23After their release they went back to their own people and reported what the chief priests and elders had told them. 24And when they heard it, they raised their voices to God with one accord and said, “Sovereign Lord, maker of heaven and earth and the sea and all that is in them, 25you said by the holy Spirit through the mouth of our father David, your servant:

‘Why did the Gentiles rageg

and the peoples entertain folly?

26The kings of the earth took their stand

and the princes gathered together

against the Lord and against his anointed.’

27Indeed they gathered in this city against your holy servant Jesus whom you anointed, Herod* and Pontius Pilate, together with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel,h 28to do what your hand and [your] will had long ago planned to take place. 29And now, Lord, take note of their threats, and enable your servants to speak your word with all boldness, 30as you stretch forth [your] hand to heal, and signs and wonders are done through the name of your holy servant Jesus.” 31* As they prayed, the place where they were gathered shook, and they were all filled with the holy Spirit and continued to speak the word of God with boldness.i

Life in the Christian Community.* 32The community of believers was of one heart and mind, and no one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they had everything in common. 33With great power the apostles bore witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great favor was accorded them all. 34j There was no needy person among them, for those who owned property or houses would sell them, bring the proceeds of the sale, 35and put them at the feet of the apostles, and they were distributed to each according to need.

36k Thus Joseph, also named by the apostles Barnabas (which is translated “son of encouragement”), a Levite, a Cypriot by birth,

The Need for Assistants. 1* At that time, as the number of disciples continued to grow, the Hellenists complained against the Hebrews because their widows were being neglected in the daily distribution.a 2* So the Twelve called together the community of the disciples and said, “It is not right for us to neglect the word of God to serve at table.* 3Brothers, select from among you seven reputable men, filled with the Spirit and wisdom, whom we shall appoint to this task, 4whereas we shall devote ourselves to prayer and to the ministry of the word.” 5The proposal was acceptable to the whole community, so they chose Stephen, a man filled with faith and the holy Spirit, also Philip, Prochorus, Nicanor, Timon, Parmenas, and Nicholas of Antioch, a convert to Judaism. 6b They presented these men to the apostles who prayed and laid hands on them.* 7The word of God continued to spread, and the number of the disciples in Jerusalem increased greatly; even a large group of priests were becoming obedient to the faith.c

These are the beginnings of the Catholic Church and the Church was called Catholic to distinguish it from the false preaching by others. Please note that they participated in the Sacrament of the Eucharist.


25 posted on 01/16/2019 12:24:52 PM PST by ADSUM
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