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To: chuckles
"Ridiculous bunch of bilge! The Beast will make a 7 year peace treaty with many. Did Titus or Nero do that? Has a third of the earth been destroyed? Jesus said the "Abomination of Desolation" would be a sign."

Indeed, while Israel would be very surprised to know that

And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all. (Revelation 18:14)

And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all. (Revelation 18:14)

And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; (Revelation 18:22)

And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee... (Revelation 18:23)

And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. (Revelation 20:2-3)

Meanwhile, as for "things which must shortly come to pass," (Revelation 1:1) and "Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. (Revelation 22:10) https://www.preceptaustin.org/revelation-1-commentary offers this:

A tachometer is an instrument for measuring speed,  revolutions per minute (RPM) displayed on a dial. Tachometer comes from Greek táchos for "speed") and métron for "measure". In short a tachometer measures velocity, how fast a car is going. When the motor is off the tachometer is not moving. But once the motor is turned on the tachometer moves. By the same token, when the events of Revelation begin to take place, they will move speedily. The divine tachometer will be spinning fast. When the first Seal on the scroll is broken by Jesus, the events in the Revelation of Jesus Christ begin to move quickly and irrevocably toward the consummation of this present age in which we now live.  Soon (quickly)(5034)(tachos) with speed, haste, swiftness; adverbially as in Lk 18:8+ ("en tachei") means without delay, at once, speedily. Tachos is used in the first and last chapter of the Revelation of Jesus Christ, here in the first verse of the first chapter (Rev 1:1+) and then in the last chapter John recording "And he said to me, “These words are faithful and true”; and the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, sent His angel to show to His bond-servants the things which must soon take place." (Rev 22:6+) The idea of tachos is better understood as meaning swiftly. In other words, when God acts it will be swift. So once God begins to act (in the presence context of 7 seals, 7 trumpets, 7 bowls) He will move fast and accomplish His purposes in a relatively short time. 

Lehman Strauss says "When the things in this book come to pass, they will "speedily happen." God has borne along with men patiently, and while some ridicule the prophecies of this book, they fail to see that God is longsuffering (2 Peter 3:9+). But the end will come, and when it does it will be marked by suddenness and swiftness. The events will come to pass speedily. Thus the purpose of the Revelation is to show beforehand those things that will speedily happen."

And as for Rev 22:10,  "And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand," this does indeed seem to speak of imminent fulfillment, yet if referring to all the prophecy then as shown, it has not been fulfilled.  And as for "seal not" as meaning imminent fulfillment, Revelation 10:4 states, "And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not" indicating there are some things sealed until a future time.

However, the unsealing "of the sayings of the prophecy," was at hand, with its revelation with its message of ultimate victory was ready to be made known to the first century saints, which would see the beginning of its fulfillments, even by way of another precursor, as Antiochus Epiphanies was, which seemed like the fulfillment of what Daniel foretold.

That is about the best I can do now.

58 posted on 06/06/2021 6:33:50 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: daniel1212

I thought of making a list of things that still must come to pass that would make 70AD impossible, but I was too lazy. I usually do this at 12am-4am and am always in a hurry to get to bed. If you say Revelation was written in 90-94 AD 20 years past 70 AD, they just say John was writing about what happened in the past while he was locked up on Patmos. The Book plainly states it must come to pass in the future. John wrote “Blessed is he that hears the word of this prophesy. How can a prophesy do any good for the hearer if it’s 20 years old?


66 posted on 06/06/2021 7:32:53 PM PDT by chuckles
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