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To: Cronos; daniel1212

The trouble with Catholicism is that they cannot understand WHAT God’s grace actually is. They may talk about it but they really don’t have a clue since they cannot distinguish between God’s grace and “man’s free will”. Thus they talk in endless circles never really understanding God’s grace. The Council of Trent dismissed the early church fathers’ writings and divided God’s grace into two parts (actual grace and sanctifying grace). Today the Catholic Church cannot give a simple definition of grace without a lot of gobbly-gook. If you think I’m being a bit harsh, I would call people attention to the Catholic Encyclopedia New Advent and the definition of grace. See if you can read through the definition before giving up half way down.

Protestants (most) simply define God’s grace as “the spontaneous, unmerited gift of the divine favour in the salvation of sinners, and the divine influence operating in man for his regeneration and sanctification.” That’s it. Period. It’s that simple. This btw was how the early church fathers viewed it. Amazing how men muddle up God’s simple words and makes thing far more complex then they need to be. But then, that is what the Pharisees did, isn’t it.

So when these types of articles pop up, it should be made clear that the Catholic Church doesn’t have the foggiest idea of what grace is despite all the talk about it.


61 posted on 07/27/2021 7:18:57 PM PDT by HarleyD (Dr E-"There are very few shades of grey.")
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To: HarleyD
Harley - you normally talk sense, so I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you haven't read what the Catholic Church declares about grace namely (and this is from the Catechism)

Grace is favor, the free and undeserved help that God gives us to respond to his call to become children of God, adoptive sons, partakers of the divine nature and of eternal life

The grace of Christ is the gratuitous gift that God makes to us of his own life, infused by the Holy Spirit into our soul to heal it of sin and to sanctify it. It is the sanctifying or deifying grace received in Baptism

This clear enough that we do and have had a clearer idea of grace than before the various non-Catholic movements?

And don't say "Protestants simply..." -- that's not true for the wide range of contradictory beliefs that go under the label Protestantism - the Christian Scientists, the Oneness Pentecostals, the ELCA, the PCUSA, the SBC all differ in what they mean, so you can't use that umbrella term

70 posted on 07/28/2021 12:46:35 AM PDT by Cronos ( )
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