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Women Pastors: Rick Warren says Saddleback Church disagrees with 'only 1 word' in SBC doctrine: men
Christian Post ^ | 06/12/2023 | Leah MarieAnn Klett

Posted on 06/12/2023 10:20:58 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: TexasGator

The King James (Authorized) Version of the Bible was promoted by the English monarch to counter the Geneva Bible, an earlier translation favored by the Puritans. The objections to the Geneva Bible were based on the footnotes, which were strongly Calvinist and considered subversive to the Church of England and King James’s claim of being subject only to God. Thus the KJV lacked the footnotes of the Geneva Bible, but the underlying Greek and Hebrew texts were the same for both translations. (The Latin Vulgate was used in certain instances where a Greek or Hebrew text was lacking.) The two texts are quite similar, sort of like the similarities between the NASB and the ESV in our time.


21 posted on 06/12/2023 11:11:59 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: SeekAndFind

Isn’t this one of the guys Bocephus sings about? He tells you to send you dollars to Jesus and gives you his address.


22 posted on 06/12/2023 11:15:13 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The southern invasion has been a big success. Foreigner invaders are running the government now.)
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To: SeekAndFind

How about the SBC’s position on red flag laws, Rick?


23 posted on 06/12/2023 11:15:42 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...siameserescue.org)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

RE: He tells you to send you dollars to Jesus and gives you his address.

Rick Warren is not that sort of Pastor ( e.g. Televangelist, Jim Bakker ).


24 posted on 06/12/2023 11:16:53 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Wallace T.; Olog-hai

(people like Andy Stanley)

Joel Osteen, etc.

And those AWFUL, WORLDLY “He Gets Us” ads using a secular (awful) song as “christian theology”

Small “c” in purpose


25 posted on 06/12/2023 11:17:33 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: Wallace T.

“but the underlying Greek and Hebrew texts were the same for both translations.”

The English Bishops’ Bible served as the primary source for the “translation”.


26 posted on 06/12/2023 11:23:42 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: SaveFerris

Small “c” ON purpose

Dang small phone 📱 screen combined with my poor eyesight 🙄🙄🙄


27 posted on 06/12/2023 11:24:08 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: TexasGator
Yep, Paul was quite clear:

"A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet". 1Timothy:11-12

28 posted on 06/12/2023 11:26:45 AM PDT by Right Brother
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To: Renfrew
If you accept this verse, women cannot be pastors. But they can also not be judges, professors, or politicians.

Just sayin'--I'm not a fundamentalist Protestant. But when I look at the crop I see out there in those professions and consider the man's comment. . . Well, don't rush me, I'm thinking. . .

29 posted on 06/12/2023 11:30:16 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: Renfrew

“This is how Paul runs his church.”

Paul did not have a church.


30 posted on 06/12/2023 11:32:30 AM PDT by odawg
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To: Right Brother

“A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet”. 1Timothy:11-12

-——————1 Timothy:11-12————

11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;


31 posted on 06/12/2023 11:32:57 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ve been “unchurched” for a couple of decades.

I could go on a rant why I have chosen to be “unchurched”.

But it would be too personal and too boring.

What is important to say is that I have no regrets.


32 posted on 06/12/2023 11:34:27 AM PDT by Biblebelter
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To: Right Brother

“A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet”


The “Mistranslation” Theory to Explain This Passage:
Yet another more compelling theory uncovers the true meaning of the word authentien, a word found nowhere else in the Bible.

This verb in 1 Timothy 2:12 is ordinarily translated “to have authority or power over.” Greek scholar Catherine Clark Kroeger, however, uncovers that this translation was not common until the third or fourth century. At the time of the New Testament church, this verb also had the meaning “to originate.”

Given that Paul’s clear objective in this letter is to defeat false theology, one of which was the Gnostic teaching that man originated from woman, a more accurate translation of this text may be, “I do not permit woman to teach nor to represent herself as originator of man.”

This translation explains why Paul then immediately sets the creation account straight, stating that man was created first, then woman (vs. 13).

Kroeger contends that Paul’s objection is not to women teaching in general, rather his objection is to what some women were teaching.

https://www.biblestudytools.com/bible-study/topical-studies/why-does-the-apostle-paul-tell-women-to-be-silent-and-not-to-teach.html


33 posted on 06/12/2023 11:45:17 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: SeekAndFind

well, having read and studied this issue as a Christian, i tended to agree initially with Pas. Warren. however, a few things in his statement give me pause, about him.

for instance, the reported quote.

“Regardless of attacks and the vote result, I want a clear conscience before my Master ... that I repented, and that this sinner did what he asked me to do...”

he repented, therefore he calls his previous position sin, not a difference of interpretation which is what it was. he by implication, calls in to question the sinfulness of others who hold a different interpretation of Paul. or did he repent because he was a negligent pastor and prophet, spewing positions that didn’t come from God.

note: he says he held the opposite interpretation himself, and yet now he’s condemning it.

that as i say gives me pause about him. judging other Christians on the basis of a differing opinion on interpretation, is a no-no imo and not of the Spirit.

the other quote:

“change the mind of any angry fundamentalist.”

that statement drips of bias against what he calls a Christian “fundamentalist” (in the SBC or in the Catholic Church or whatever church), whatever he thinks that is.

the other strange thing is that he says in the article that he now disagrees with the doctrine women and men are created to be complementary. well there i disagree with him directly on the basis of biological science (God’s book of nature) and God’s Book itself. that position is very hard for him to sustain, imo, and the facts of existence and the Bible deny that position.

overall, i don’t question Paul at all, he is very wise, but i do question the way Warren is justifying his position. i also think aspiring women pastors ought to be very sure they understand the specific weaknesses that women have as explained in that passage and are called by the Lord himself to the pastorate before answering it.


34 posted on 06/12/2023 11:47:27 AM PDT by dadfly
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To: Secret Agent Man

Yes. The camel’s nose into the tent.


35 posted on 06/12/2023 11:48:14 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: SaveFerris

The world 🌎🌍 laughs, scoffs and mocks.

As in the Days of Noah.
........................

Indeed.


36 posted on 06/12/2023 11:51:19 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: metmom

“Scripture says that women should not be in a position of authority over men.”

Mistranslated Scripture says that women should not be in a position of authority over men.


37 posted on 06/12/2023 11:52:50 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: ViLaLuz

Amen

I hope I can reach a few; perhaps a hundredfold before the party really gets started

Just wait until the world cheers the ‘Abraham Accords’ when they reach full fruition

Sound great until one realizes what it shall unleash


38 posted on 06/12/2023 11:55:17 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Warren said he doesn’t “expect to win” the appeal in New Orleans, nor does he expect to “change the mind of any angry fundamentalist.”

Are all fundamentalist’s angry? Standard left-speak he’s using here. Disagree with me and I’ll call you names. I guess next he’ll call them ‘Nazis’.


39 posted on 06/12/2023 11:58:36 AM PDT by asformeandformyhouse (I've been listening to a lot of rap music lately. Mostly at red lights and stop signs.)
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To: TexasGator
Greek scholar Catherine Clark Kroeger, however, uncovers that this translation was not......

😂 Yep, no greater authority than a feminist Bible 'scholar'.

40 posted on 06/12/2023 12:08:44 PM PDT by Right Brother
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