Posted on 06/12/2023 10:20:58 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Sorry Rick. I’m not buying.
Thanks for that. Curent church I’m going to has an incredible mix and emotional joy but lacks in serious teaching through the bible.
There are a few female pastors and teachers and I tune out. Men need male leadership.
The church needs to hear cut and dry, black and white discipline and objective spiritual planning/goals/outlook.
I’ll grant women make good leaders in many capacities but when you’re in a spiritual battle I want a strong decisive man leading.
signed CK, a spiritual man who is trying NOT to compromise in these last days
“Yep, no greater authority than a feminist Bible ‘scholar’.”
I notice that you do not challenge her work.
“I am not a theologian and can’t comment”
You don’t have to be a theologian to read. 1 Corinthians 14:34-35:
“Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak;”
Word is that Warren has maybe only 10% support. And in a Baptist — any Bible-believing - organization, that’s 10% too much.
“Paul was quite clear about women pastors.”
Actually, it was God who was quite clear. Paul was His tool.
I was trying to make a larger argument, and that's for reading the Bible exegetically instead of eisegetically. The "ex" version means without your own bias. It's very analogous to Clarence Thomas reading the Constitution as an originalist. What exactly does the Bible say on the subject, in what context, and what the original language meant at the time, etc. Bible verses we think say one thing, often when we stop and remove our modern cultural biases and read it again looking up the definitions of the original Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic words and what those words meant 2,000 to 3,500 years ago, we realize the verses say something else. Or perhaps don't say anything at all on the topic we thought they did.
I'd rather "win" by encouraging all of my fellow Christians to read the Bible like addicts exegetically, than agree with me on any one particular issue (i.e. female pastors). I encourage that knowing that there's no way we can all agree, particularly on things that are pretty vague in the Bible. But hopefully, one thing that comes out of it is we fuss less on the stuff that doesn't matter (again, on what's vague in the Bible) because we focus on things that the unbiased reading is clear about.
IMHO if God wanted us being led in the churches by women He would have sent us his daughter. But He didn’t- He sent us his son.
I get you. and I’m NOT against women leading in the church. My church has female and male pastors. It’s sort of an eclectic mix that works but we are lacking in people like you( myself) who go word by word, verse by verse, chapter by chapter.
And I agree with you on encouragement and opening the bible and learning likening it to Philip and the eunuch in Actsch8:31,And he said, “How can I understand unless a man will instruct me?”
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I let people know women have their place just as Deborah in Judges was raised to lead. One thing is certain is we need strong leaders in the church.
To use a more modern example, the English Standard Version is called the Revised Standard Version for conservatives. The translators used methodology similar to that used by the RSV, but spun controversial passages, such as Isaiah 7:14, which in the ESV reads, " Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel." In the RSV, it reads, "Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, a young woman shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
“The King James translators were instructed to use the Bishops Bible as a basis,”
The King James translators were instructed to edit the Bishops Bible as needed ...
We disagree with only 1 word
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Well, The Bible says Jesus is The Word.
So, . . .
Agree to disagree - I think NOT.
The world 🌎🌍 is being prepared for the debut of Satan’s anti-messiah the Antichrist.
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Hmmm.
Do you think the antichrist might be a woman?
Or maybe even a trans?
My issue with Rick Warren is that he has gone woke to the nth degree.
My mother had him pegged decades ago when Rick Warren told her he doesn’t want to put the word “baptist” in the name of his church because he “didn’t want to alienate people”.
Thank God my mother took a hard pass on his church. Plus, almost everyone I have run into from that church has been a complete delta bravo. The Bible does reference something about, “by their fruits you shall know them”.
heh Dylan Mulvaney
Amen and amen. As a woman, I would not attend a church with female pastors or elders. It is the ruin of many churches today. Not to say that men can’t destroy a church with wokeness but for certain once a woman is running things it’s on the downhill slope.
Rat poison is 99.9999999% good food.
Is that close enough?
Amen.
Absolutely!
YIKES! Didn’t know that!!
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